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So I know the forums have become infamous recently for overly-long forum OPs. So I want to keep this as simple as possible. | So I know the forums have become infamous recently for overly-long forum OPs. So I want to keep this as simple as possible. | ||
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:::: In general, I agree. However, I'd rather not allow non-official uploads, including fair use documentaries. I would very much like to allow citing and linking to these types of videos, though. I've been watching a lot of Josh Snares documentaries recently and some of them are easily the same quality as official documentaries and would be great sources to be able to cite. The same can be said for Dalek 63•89. We allow citing unofficial reference books and websites. I don't see why unoffocial documentaries should be any different. It's not just unofficial stuff I'd like to be able to link and cite, though. Official channels can upload behind the scenes content and I feel we should be able to cite these directly. I have some more thoughts on a topic not brought up in the OP but it's a bit more in depth than I have time to write up right now so expect to see another message tomorrow. [[User:Bongolium500|<span title="aka Bongolium500">Bongo50</span>]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|<span title="talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:48, 22 August 2023 (UTC) | :::: In general, I agree. However, I'd rather not allow non-official uploads, including fair use documentaries. I would very much like to allow citing and linking to these types of videos, though. I've been watching a lot of Josh Snares documentaries recently and some of them are easily the same quality as official documentaries and would be great sources to be able to cite. The same can be said for Dalek 63•89. We allow citing unofficial reference books and websites. I don't see why unoffocial documentaries should be any different. It's not just unofficial stuff I'd like to be able to link and cite, though. Official channels can upload behind the scenes content and I feel we should be able to cite these directly. I have some more thoughts on a topic not brought up in the OP but it's a bit more in depth than I have time to write up right now so expect to see another message tomorrow. [[User:Bongolium500|<span title="aka Bongolium500">Bongo50</span>]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|<span title="talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:48, 22 August 2023 (UTC) | ||
::::: Oh, I'd also like to specifficaly affirm that, speaking as an admin, I'd love to relax the rules on non-admins uploading videos. We don't have any equivelant for images and it would make my work as admin a little easier. [[Tardis:Video recommendations]] can becomes very messy and hard to work through if it's not kept on top off. [[User:Bongolium500|<span title="aka Bongolium500">Bongo50</span>]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|<span title="talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:50, 22 August 2023 (UTC) | ::::: Oh, I'd also like to specifficaly affirm that, speaking as an admin, I'd love to relax the rules on non-admins uploading videos. We don't have any equivelant for images and it would make my work as admin a little easier. [[Tardis:Video recommendations]] can becomes very messy and hard to work through if it's not kept on top off. [[User:Bongolium500|<span title="aka Bongolium500">Bongo50</span>]] [[User talk:Bongolium500|<span title="talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:50, 22 August 2023 (UTC) | ||
:::::: This thread. Oh boy do I have some thoughts about the video policies... | |||
:::::: Firstly, I want to say that, for the most part, I agree with every proposed change. | |||
* Part 1: Non-admins should be able to upload videos, as just recently, [[:File:SUTEKH THE HERETIC - trailer for the new Gods and Monsters comic series from Cutaway Comics|File:SUTEKH THE HERETIC...]], which I uploaded, was deleted from the site, not because of the video actually failing the rules of the site, but because I, a non-admin, uploaded it. Within ten minutes it was reuploaded by another admin. This, frankly, is a rule that needs to go! | |||
* Part 2: We should allow any content from an "official" source and from other sites other than YouTube (I'll get into this later). | |||
:::::: However, here is where I have differing opinions. | |||
* Part 3: While I mostly agree with with Part 3, in that videos under fair use should be allowed, I don't think only admins should be allowed to upload them. For the same reason that admins just don't have the time, it makes sense — just like with images! — to allow anyone to upload them and if any fail the rules, they can be — again, just like videos — be nominated for deletion. This would also mean [[:Category:Proposed video deletions]] will have to be created. I belive working out criteria is very much worth pursuing. | |||
* Part 4: I agree, again, mostly with everything said in this part... except for lost media. | |||
:::::: It should be noted, that, we wouldn't be uploading lost media, just ''embedding'' it onto the Wiki (although even this may not be necessary, I'll explain later). Found lost media is really difficult to find online, as most people who upload it use different names (usually fanmade) to those that Wiki uses; it would make a lot of sense to be able to embed the different ''[[Tardisode]]s'' on their respective pages, for example. The lost media rabbit hole goes deep (not even having [[Lost media|a page yet]]) so exposure of these videos is important! | |||
:::::: I feel the rule of thumb, with these, is that if there is no release containing this video content that the respective copyright holder profits off (e.g. the original cut of ''[[A Fix with Sontarans (TV story)|A Fix with Sontarans]]'' which will frankly never see the light of day again) it should be uploaded. But if these are ever given a new official release, then they should be removed off the site. But still, even if we can just mention unofficial uploads of these pieces of (now not) lost media on this Wiki, that is still an improvement over current policy. | |||
:::::: Furthermore, I assume that this thread is partially exempt from [[Tardis:Video policy]]? Otherwise I expect both me and @[[User:OttselSpy25|OttselSpy25]] will be receiving blocks for daring to mention videos exist outside of official releases...! | |||
:::::: Now for what I alluded to earlier: a while back, I was informed by @[[User:Spongebob456|Spongebob456]] on [https://homealone.fandom.com/wiki/Message_Wall:Epsilon_the_Eternal my Message Wall] on the ''Home Alone'' Wiki that there are two methods of adding videos to the Wiki: | |||
# '''<nowiki>[[Special:NewFiles]]</nowiki>''': this method, as designed by Fandom, allows videos from Dailymotion, Vime, Youku, and YouTube. So, all these sites should be a-okay. | |||
# '''EmbedVideo''': now for the juicy one. Remember how I said, regarding lost media, we wouldn't even need to traditionally embed the video onto the site? Well, here we go — with this method... we don't ''need'' to. With <tt><nowiki>{{#ev:service|id|dimensions|alignment|description}}</nowiki></tt>, we can display videos from, well, [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:EmbedVideo#Supported_services everything listed here]. Which is a lot. If we can recognise we aren't going to be sued over a YouTube upload, we can allow lost media. It's not illegal to link to a video! And even if the copyright holder does want to remove it, they'll just copyright strike the video, as is everything with YouTube. {{User:Epsilon the Eternal/signature}} 21:53, 22 August 2023 (UTC) | |||
