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:::::: Firstly, I want to say that, for the most part, I agree with every proposed change. | :::::: Firstly, I want to say that, for the most part, I agree with every proposed change. | ||
* Part 1: Non-admins should be able to upload videos, as just recently, [[:File:SUTEKH THE HERETIC - trailer for the new Gods and Monsters comic series from Cutaway Comics|File:SUTEKH THE HERETIC...]], which I uploaded, was deleted from the site, not because of the video actually failing the rules of the site, but because I, a non-admin, uploaded it. Within ten minutes it was reuploaded by another admin. This, frankly, is a rule that needs to go! | ::::::* Part 1: Non-admins should be able to upload videos, as just recently, [[:File:SUTEKH THE HERETIC - trailer for the new Gods and Monsters comic series from Cutaway Comics|File:SUTEKH THE HERETIC...]], which I uploaded, was deleted from the site, not because of the video actually failing the rules of the site, but because I, a non-admin, uploaded it. Within ten minutes it was reuploaded by another admin. This, frankly, is a rule that needs to go! | ||
* Part 2: We should allow any content from an "official" source and from other sites other than YouTube (I'll get into this later). | ::::::* Part 2: We should allow any content from an "official" source and from other sites other than YouTube (I'll get into this later). | ||
:::::: However, here is where I have differing opinions. | :::::: However, here is where I have differing opinions. | ||
* Part 3: While I mostly agree with with Part 3, in that videos under fair use should be allowed, I don't think only admins should be allowed to upload them. For the same reason that admins just don't have the time, it makes sense — just like with images! — to allow anyone to upload them and if any fail the rules, they can be — again, just like | ::::::* Part 3: While I mostly agree with with Part 3, in that videos under fair use should be allowed, I don't think only admins should be allowed to upload them. For the same reason that admins just don't have the time, it makes sense — just like with images! — to allow anyone to upload them and if any fail the rules, they can be — again, just like images — be nominated for deletion. This would also mean [[:Category:Proposed video deletions]] will have to be created. I belive working out criteria is very much worth pursuing. | ||
* Part 4: I agree, again, mostly with everything said in this part... except for lost media. | ::::::* Part 4: I agree, again, mostly with everything said in this part... except for lost media. | ||
:::::: It should be noted, that, we wouldn't be uploading lost media, just ''embedding'' it onto the Wiki (although even this may not be necessary, I'll explain later). Found lost media is really difficult to find online, as most people who upload it use different names (usually fanmade) to those that Wiki uses; it would make a lot of sense to be able to embed the different ''[[Tardisode]]s'' on their respective pages, for example. The lost media rabbit hole goes deep (not even having [[Lost media|a page yet]]) so exposure of these videos is important! | :::::: It should be noted, that, we wouldn't be uploading lost media, just ''embedding'' it onto the Wiki (although even this may not be necessary, I'll explain later). Found lost media is really difficult to find online, as most people who upload it use different names (usually fanmade) to those that Wiki uses; it would make a lot of sense to be able to embed the different ''[[Tardisode]]s'' on their respective pages, for example. The lost media rabbit hole goes deep (not even having [[Lost media|a page yet]]) so exposure of these videos is important! | ||
:::::: I feel the rule of thumb, with these, is that if there is no release containing this video content that the respective copyright holder profits off (e.g. the original cut of ''[[A Fix with Sontarans (TV story)|A Fix with Sontarans]]'' which will frankly never see the light of day again) it should be uploaded. But if these are ever given a new official release, then they should be removed off the site. But still, even if we can just mention unofficial uploads of these pieces of (now not) lost media on this Wiki, that is still an improvement over current policy. | :::::: I feel the rule of thumb, with these, is that if there is no release containing this video content that the respective copyright holder profits off (e.g. the original cut of ''[[A Fix with Sontarans (TV story)|A Fix with Sontarans]]'' which will frankly never see the light of day again) it should be uploaded. But if these are ever given a new official release, then they should be removed off the site. But still, even if we can just mention unofficial uploads of these pieces of (now not) lost media on this Wiki, that is still an improvement over current policy. | ||
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:::::: Now for what I alluded to earlier: a while back, I was informed by @[[User:Spongebob456|Spongebob456]] on [https://homealone.fandom.com/wiki/Message_Wall:Epsilon_the_Eternal my Message Wall] on the ''Home Alone'' Wiki that there are two methods of adding videos to the Wiki: | :::::: Now for what I alluded to earlier: a while back, I was informed by @[[User:Spongebob456|Spongebob456]] on [https://homealone.fandom.com/wiki/Message_Wall:Epsilon_the_Eternal my Message Wall] on the ''Home Alone'' Wiki that there are two methods of adding videos to the Wiki: | ||
# '''<nowiki>[[Special:NewFiles]]</nowiki>''': this method, as designed by Fandom, allows videos from Dailymotion, Vime, Youku, and YouTube. So, all these sites should be a-okay. | ::::::# '''<nowiki>[[Special:NewFiles]]</nowiki>''': this method, as designed by Fandom, allows videos from Dailymotion, Vime, Youku, and YouTube. So, all these sites should be a-okay. | ||
# '''EmbedVideo''': now for the juicy one. Remember how I said, regarding lost media, we wouldn't even need to traditionally embed the video onto the site? Well, here we go — with this method... we don't ''need'' to. With <tt><nowiki>{{#ev:service|id|dimensions|alignment|description}}</nowiki></tt>, we can display videos from, well, [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:EmbedVideo#Supported_services everything listed here]. Which is a lot. If we can recognise we aren't going to be sued over a YouTube upload, we can allow lost media. It's not illegal to link to a video! And even if the copyright holder does want to remove it, they'll just copyright strike the video, as is everything with YouTube. {{User:Epsilon the Eternal/signature}} 21:53, 22 August 2023 (UTC) | ::::::# '''EmbedVideo''': now for the juicy one. Remember how I said, regarding lost media, we wouldn't even need to traditionally embed the video onto the site? Well, here we go — with this method... we don't ''need'' to. With <tt><nowiki>{{#ev:service|id|dimensions|alignment|description}}</nowiki></tt>, we can display videos from, well, [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:EmbedVideo#Supported_services everything listed here]. Which is a lot. If we can recognise we aren't going to be sued over a YouTube upload, we can allow lost media. It's not illegal to link to a video! And even if the copyright holder does want to remove it, they'll just copyright strike the video, as is everything with YouTube. {{User:Epsilon the Eternal/signature}} 21:53, 22 August 2023 (UTC) | ||
:I '''support''' all the proposals made in the OP. [[User:Pluto2|Pluto2]][[User talk:Pluto2|<span title="talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:23, 22 August 2023 (UTC) | :I '''support''' all the proposals made in the OP. [[User:Pluto2|Pluto2]][[User talk:Pluto2|<span title="talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:23, 22 August 2023 (UTC) | ||
