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:::::: The Doctor has been aware that the Titanic is destined to sink since at least his 4th incarnation ''[[Robot (TV story)]]'', ''[[The Invasion of Time (TV story)]]'' . Therefore it is unlikely that he would purposefully board it with that knowledge. A previous Doctor, unaware of the Titanic's fate, could have boarded it and ended up clinging to the iceberg. This places the photo AFTER ''[[The End of the World (TV story)]]''. Alternatively, if the ninth doctor ''had'' boarded the Titanic AFTER convincing the Daniels family not to, he would have clearly known that it was going to crash AND that it was a fixed point (and therefore unavoidable) so his boarding of it would be fairly illogical. Not to mention the fact that this would mean the photo was definitely taken prior to ''[[The End of the World (TV story)]]'' which would mean that the doctor went back to 1912, stayed for at least a day, and never once saw his reflection OR looked at the picture of himself that he posed for. Which seems unlikely. It is more likely that after the Time War he would have been more inclined to clear up some of the mess it caused (The Nestene's invasion of Earth) than go to Southampton to board a sinking ship. So, although being in a picture with a family who cancelled their trip obviously doesn't mean that the Doctor definitely didn't board the Titanic either, it is a much more logical conclusion to make than the alternatives. | :::::: The Doctor has been aware that the Titanic is destined to sink since at least his 4th incarnation ''[[Robot (TV story)]]'', ''[[The Invasion of Time (TV story)]]'' . Therefore it is unlikely that he would purposefully board it with that knowledge. A previous Doctor, unaware of the Titanic's fate, could have boarded it and ended up clinging to the iceberg. This places the photo AFTER ''[[The End of the World (TV story)]]''. Alternatively, if the ninth doctor ''had'' boarded the Titanic AFTER convincing the Daniels family not to, he would have clearly known that it was going to crash AND that it was a fixed point (and therefore unavoidable) so his boarding of it would be fairly illogical. Not to mention the fact that this would mean the photo was definitely taken prior to ''[[The End of the World (TV story)]]'' which would mean that the doctor went back to 1912, stayed for at least a day, and never once saw his reflection OR looked at the picture of himself that he posed for. Which seems unlikely. It is more likely that after the Time War he would have been more inclined to clear up some of the mess it caused (The Nestene's invasion of Earth) than go to Southampton to board a sinking ship. So, although being in a picture with a family who cancelled their trip obviously doesn't mean that the Doctor definitely didn't board the Titanic either, it is a much more logical conclusion to make than the alternatives. | ||
::::::: It makes perfect sense if the reason he got to know them in the first place was owing to him being involved in some caper around Southampton docks on the eve of sailing. Out of gratitude, he drops a hint to them to not get on the ship, but then ends up pursuing a fugitive Kroton / Vampire monkey / Tetrap /Bandril or similar on to the SS Titanic himself- or possibly finds out at the last minute that the TARDIS he left on the rocks has been accidentally loaded as cargo, or dozens of other reasons. | |||
::Perhaps Rose remembered the photos she had seen, and so when she and the Doctor travelled to those points in time she made sure not to get her picture taken so as not to cause a paradox. (Since she had already seen the photos of only the Doctor. | ::Perhaps Rose remembered the photos she had seen, and so when she and the Doctor travelled to those points in time she made sure not to get her picture taken so as not to cause a paradox. (Since she had already seen the photos of only the Doctor. | ||
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* After Auton Mickey had lost his head, the body was blundering about as if it were blind, but the Auton arm could perfectly find The Doctor in Roses apartment, let alone get to the apartment. | * After Auton Mickey had lost his head, the body was blundering about as if it were blind, but the Auton arm could perfectly find The Doctor in Roses apartment, let alone get to the apartment. | ||
::Interesting. The only explanation I can think of is that the Doctor has physically interacted (touched) with the arm multiple times but not Auton Mickey, so it would not be able to locate him. Also, the restaurant was full of obstacles and people and Rose's house was not, as well as the fact that the arm is much smaller and was not restricted to the ground, although this is probably something the writers did not think about. | ::Interesting. The only explanation I can think of is that the Doctor has physically interacted (touched) with the arm multiple times but not Auton Mickey, so it would not be able to locate him. Also, the restaurant was full of obstacles and people and Rose's house was not, as well as the fact that the arm is much smaller and was not restricted to the ground, although this is probably something the writers did not think about. | ||
::: Auton Mickey has only recently been beheaded, whilst the arm was detached the previous night, so perhaps reasonably enough it takes the fragment of Nestene Consciousness within each time to adjust to sense the world around it effectively after dismemberment. | |||
* When Rose ends her second encounter with The Doctor, she sees him walk up to the TARDIS. When it is out of her view, she hears it leave, runs back and sees that its gone. Yet, later on when they attempt to escape Auton Mickey, she sees it and runs for the gate. Why does she not think that it could be an escape route considering she saw it one moment and saw it disappear the next? | * When Rose ends her second encounter with The Doctor, she sees him walk up to the TARDIS. When it is out of her view, she hears it leave, runs back and sees that its gone. Yet, later on when they attempt to escape Auton Mickey, she sees it and runs for the gate. Why does she not think that it could be an escape route considering she saw it one moment and saw it disappear the next? | ||
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::She might have indirect contact with people Mickey knows, such as his teachers. | ::She might have indirect contact with people Mickey knows, such as his teachers. | ||
* When Rose gives Mickey the Auton's arm, it is a right arm. But when | * When Rose gives Mickey the Auton's arm, it is a right arm. But when Mickey throws it in the dumpster it is a left arm, then it's back to being a right arm when it attacks the Doctor. | ||
::This is living plastic, which can change form. | ::This is living plastic, which can change form. | ||
