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As a minor tangent, the name "[[meson gun]]" seemed to have originated from ''AFwS'' despite the prop being seen in ''[[The Two Doctors (TV story)|The Two Doctors]]'', and the novel ''[[Lords of the Storm (novel)|Lords of the Storm]]'' has the Sontarans use a [[Meson cannon|meson ''cannon'']], so this may be a very minor reference to ''AFwS'' by showing Sontarans use different types of meson weaponry. Although, it wouldn't be unprecedent for the name "meson gun" to have originated in an early draft of ''TTD''{{'}}s script. | As a minor tangent, the name "[[meson gun]]" seemed to have originated from ''AFwS'' despite the prop being seen in ''[[The Two Doctors (TV story)|The Two Doctors]]'', and the novel ''[[Lords of the Storm (novel)|Lords of the Storm]]'' has the Sontarans use a [[Meson cannon|meson ''cannon'']], so this may be a very minor reference to ''AFwS'' by showing Sontarans use different types of meson weaponry. Although, it wouldn't be unprecedent for the name "meson gun" to have originated in an early draft of ''TTD''{{'}}s script. | ||
The final reason for ''AFwS''{{'}}s validity is the pressing one, and also more of a technical one. When ''[[Doctor Who (TV series)|Doctor Who]]'': ''[[The Collection]]'' — ''[[Season 22]]'' was released not too long ago, a ''new'' version of ''A Fix with Sontarans'' was released, with all of the bits with Savile removed for obvious reasons. (Incidentally, this actually is more in continuity with ''Fixing a Hole'' than the original...) Now, I created [[A Fix with Sontarans (home video)|a new, separate page]] for this recut given that it, in its new form, has absolutely zero reason to be invalid. In passes [[T:VS]] with ''flying'' colours. To justify this, I treated it like everything in [[:Category:DVD adaptations of television stories]], but since then I seem to recall that there have been talk pages (can't remember which) that cite a forum thread that sought to merge these pages into their original broadcast cuts? I dunno the specifics, although I can see the rationale. With the 2022 ''AFwS'', a lot of new OOU info is exclusive to the new page when it would be better served to be covered on one page, and as for in-universe info, the only difference is the ending which can be covered in subsections of the plot summary. It is not even unprecedented for there to exist multiple versions of the same story, such as many of the comics in [[:Category:Stories with unknown or disputed Doctors]], e.g. ''[[Doomcloud (comic story)|Doomcloud]]'', which much more substantially has either the [[Third Doctor|Third]] or [[Fourth Doctor]] depending on the reprint. Now, it would be simple to just put {{tlx|merge}} on [[A Fix with Sontarans (home video)]] and have it quickly merged into [[A Fix with Sontarans (TV story)]]... if it wasn't for the original cut continuing to be invalid. I don't think it is possible under our current rules to have a source page be both invalid and valid, depending on the version, but at ''the same time'' the two pages only exist so one can be valid and is not good for actual coverage of the sources. | The final reason for ''AFwS''{{'}}s validity is the pressing one, and also more of a technical one. When ''[[Doctor Who (TV series)|Doctor Who]]'': ''[[The Collection]]'' — ''[[Season 22 (Doctor Who 1963)|Season 22]]'' was released not too long ago, a ''new'' version of ''A Fix with Sontarans'' was released, with all of the bits with Savile removed for obvious reasons. (Incidentally, this actually is more in continuity with ''Fixing a Hole'' than the original...) Now, I created [[A Fix with Sontarans (home video)|a new, separate page]] for this recut given that it, in its new form, has absolutely zero reason to be invalid. In passes [[T:VS]] with ''flying'' colours. To justify this, I treated it like everything in [[:Category:DVD adaptations of television stories]], but since then I seem to recall that there have been talk pages (can't remember which) that cite a forum thread that sought to merge these pages into their original broadcast cuts? I dunno the specifics, although I can see the rationale. With the 2022 ''AFwS'', a lot of new OOU info is exclusive to the new page when it would be better served to be covered on one page, and as for in-universe info, the only difference is the ending which can be covered in subsections of the plot summary. It is not even unprecedented for there to exist multiple versions of the same story, such as many of the comics in [[:Category:Stories with unknown or disputed Doctors]], e.g. ''[[Doomcloud (comic story)|Doomcloud]]'', which much more substantially has either the [[Third Doctor|Third]] or [[Fourth Doctor]] depending on the reprint. Now, it would be simple to just put {{tlx|merge}} on [[A Fix with Sontarans (home video)]] and have it quickly merged into [[A Fix with Sontarans (TV story)]]... if it wasn't for the original cut continuing to be invalid. I don't think it is possible under our current rules to have a source page be both invalid and valid, depending on the version, but at ''the same time'' the two pages only exist so one can be valid and is not good for actual coverage of the sources. | ||
So the simple solution? Validate the 1985 version and just have to deal with "according to one account Jimmy Savile entered the TARDIS and gave Gareth Jenkins a medal and the [[meson gun]] prop". Not too complicated, is it? If the pages are merged, I do feel it is necessary to keep [[A Fix with Sontarans (home video)]] as a redirect for the occasions we want to specifically cite the 2022 recut, as well as allowing "([[HOMEVID]]: ''[[A Fix with Sontarans (home video)|A Fix with Sontarans]]'')" to be used alongside "([[TV]]: ''[[A Fix with Sontarans (TV story)|A Fix with Sontarans]]'')" as co-existing citations. This probably will be even easier to do given the developments at [[Forum:Cite source, a new citation template]]! | So the simple solution? Validate the 1985 version and just have to deal with "according to one account Jimmy Savile entered the TARDIS and gave Gareth Jenkins a medal and the [[meson gun]] prop". Not too complicated, is it? If the pages are merged, I do feel it is necessary to keep [[A Fix with Sontarans (home video)]] as a redirect for the occasions we want to specifically cite the 2022 recut, as well as allowing "([[HOMEVID]]: ''[[A Fix with Sontarans (home video)|A Fix with Sontarans]]'')" to be used alongside "([[TV]]: ''[[A Fix with Sontarans (TV story)|A Fix with Sontarans]]'')" as co-existing citations. This probably will be even easier to do given the developments at [[Forum:Cite source, a new citation template]]! | ||
