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: I meant precisely what I said: that we consider [[The Mysterious Planet (TV story)]] a story and have done from the start. We just… objectively do. It has a story page (individual episodes of serials e.g. ''[[The Feast of Steven]]'' do not), and its dab term says "story". It's also fairly ''intuitively'' a story in the [[T:VS]] sense — things definitely happen in it. We wouldn't throw it out for "not being a story" if ''The Mysterious Planet'' had somehow come into existence without the other ''Trial'' installments attached. ''The Mysterious Planet'' is "a story" — unless the proposal is to merge all the installments into one giant page (bad idea, IMO!), I don't see that changing. | : I meant precisely what I said: that we consider [[The Mysterious Planet (TV story)]] a story and have done from the start. We just… objectively do. It has a story page (individual episodes of serials e.g. ''[[The Feast of Steven]]'' do not), and its dab term says "story". It's also fairly ''intuitively'' a story in the [[T:VS]] sense — things definitely happen in it. We wouldn't throw it out for "not being a story" if ''The Mysterious Planet'' had somehow come into existence without the other ''Trial'' installments attached. ''The Mysterious Planet'' is "a story" — unless the proposal is to merge all the installments into one giant page (bad idea, IMO!), I don't see that changing. | ||
: Whether we can, from this, derive that ''Trial'' as a whole is ''not'' a story… I don't know. It seems to me that for a weird case like this, we ''could'' say that we have "a story made up of stories". But despite the quotes helpfully located in the above discussion, I don't think the Wiki's current policy on ''this'' point is in fact clear/consistent. To wit… well, the page is called [[Season 23]], not [[The Trial of a Time Lord (TV story)|''The Trial of a Time Lord'' (TV story)]]. That's pretty strong evidence that, ''de facto'', we cover it as a season rather than a story! But as I said, this does conflict wit a few of the statements located above, so I'm game to treat that aspect of the matter as not yet settled, and to use this talk page to nail it down more clearly. | : Whether we can, from this, derive that ''Trial'' as a whole is ''not'' a story… I don't know. It seems to me that for a weird case like this, we ''could'' say that we have "a story made up of stories". But despite the quotes helpfully located in the above discussion, I don't think the Wiki's current policy on ''this'' point is in fact clear/consistent. To wit… well, the page is called [[Season 23 (Doctor Who 1963)|Season 23]], not [[The Trial of a Time Lord (TV story)|''The Trial of a Time Lord'' (TV story)]]. That's pretty strong evidence that, ''de facto'', we cover it as a season rather than a story! But as I said, this does conflict wit a few of the statements located above, so I'm game to treat that aspect of the matter as not yet settled, and to use this talk page to nail it down more clearly. | ||
: As regards story numbering, my personal opinion is that we should dispense with it entirely as a fundamentally confused, inherently-contradictory endeavour, and, by and large, a thuddingly useless one at that. I… recognise that this is perhaps a radical point of view, but I hope the fact that we're still arguing abour ''Trial'' numbering forty years on will give some people a sense of why I feel that way. (That being said, @Jack, for [[T:BOUND]] reasons you shouldn't have overhauled it on so many pages without prior discussion.) [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']] [[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]] 14:02, 10 January 2023 (UTC) | : As regards story numbering, my personal opinion is that we should dispense with it entirely as a fundamentally confused, inherently-contradictory endeavour, and, by and large, a thuddingly useless one at that. I… recognise that this is perhaps a radical point of view, but I hope the fact that we're still arguing abour ''Trial'' numbering forty years on will give some people a sense of why I feel that way. (That being said, @Jack, for [[T:BOUND]] reasons you shouldn't have overhauled it on so many pages without prior discussion.) [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']] [[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]] 14:02, 10 January 2023 (UTC) | ||
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: As I said earlier, I do think it's worth having a discussion about it, yes. Though the impact of that discussion (this is a third point) should probably not affect the story numbering, so long as by story numbering we continue to mean the official BBC-given "story numbering", which is just a (<s>bad, decaying, worse-than-useless</s>) ''fact'' that we as a Wiki document, regardless of what is and is not actually considered a story on this Wiki. [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']] [[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]] 18:41, 10 January 2023 (UTC) | : As I said earlier, I do think it's worth having a discussion about it, yes. Though the impact of that discussion (this is a third point) should probably not affect the story numbering, so long as by story numbering we continue to mean the official BBC-given "story numbering", which is just a (<s>bad, decaying, worse-than-useless</s>) ''fact'' that we as a Wiki document, regardless of what is and is not actually considered a story on this Wiki. [[User:Scrooge MacDuck|'''Scrooge MacDuck''']] [[User_talk:Scrooge MacDuck|⊕]] 18:41, 10 January 2023 (UTC) | ||
:: Okay, sure, I've added it to the temporary forum requests. I'll undo my edits to the story numbering but, from what you've said, it sounds like [[season 23]] is more accurate now listing ''The Mysterious Planet'' etc. as stories rather than "episodes 1-4" and the like. [[User:Jack "BtR" Saxon|Jack "BtR" Saxon]] [[User talk:Jack "BtR" Saxon|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:48, 10 January 2023 (UTC) | :: Okay, sure, I've added it to the temporary forum requests. I'll undo my edits to the story numbering but, from what you've said, it sounds like [[Season 23 (Doctor Who 1963)|season 23]] is more accurate now listing ''The Mysterious Planet'' etc. as stories rather than "episodes 1-4" and the like. [[User:Jack "BtR" Saxon|Jack "BtR" Saxon]] [[User talk:Jack "BtR" Saxon|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:48, 10 January 2023 (UTC) | ||
::For what it's worth, Scrooge, I agree with you about removing the story numbers. I'm not sure they are worth the confusion. [[User:LauraBatham|LauraBatham]] [[User talk:LauraBatham|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 03:30, 11 January 2023 (UTC) | ::For what it's worth, Scrooge, I agree with you about removing the story numbers. I'm not sure they are worth the confusion. [[User:LauraBatham|LauraBatham]] [[User talk:LauraBatham|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 03:30, 11 January 2023 (UTC) | ||
