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::::Short Trips for example, when citing them go for the whole thing; ([[ST]]: ''[[Decalog]]'': "[[The Golden Door]]"), we maintain the italics and you get your quotation marks. | ::::Short Trips for example, when citing them go for the whole thing; ([[ST]]: ''[[Decalog]]'': "[[The Golden Door]]"), we maintain the italics and you get your quotation marks. | ||
::::The same would go for any others that are portions of a larger work, comic strips would be ([[DWM]]: ''[[Doctor Who Weekly]]'': "[[The Iron Legion]]") or ([[IDW]]: ''[[Doctor Who Ongoing]]'': "[[Tesseract]]"), or alternatively ([[DWM]]: ''[[The Flood (graphic novel)]]'': "[[The Power of Thoueris!]]"). The same with audio stories ([[BFA]]: ''[[Survival of the Fittest]]'': "[[Klein's Story]]") and annuals ([[DWA]]: ''[[Doctor Who Annual 1967]]'': "[[The Cloud Exiles]]") --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] 16:00, June 25, 2010 (UTC) | ::::The same would go for any others that are portions of a larger work, comic strips would be ([[DWM]]: ''[[Doctor Who Weekly]]'': "[[The Iron Legion]]") or ([[IDW]]: ''[[Doctor Who Ongoing]]'': "[[Tesseract]]"), or alternatively ([[DWM]]: ''[[The Flood (graphic novel)]]'': "[[The Power of Thoueris!]]"). The same with audio stories ([[BFA]]: ''[[Survival of the Fittest]]'': "[[Klein's Story]]") and annuals ([[DWA]]: ''[[Doctor Who Annual 1967]]'': "[[The Cloud Exiles]]") --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] 16:00, June 25, 2010 (UTC) | ||
:::::Well, you're completely twisting what I said, TD. You're making it out like I said, "We need to follow wikipedia's rules", which has '''never been my argument'''. I am now, and have always been, talking about the '''standard rules of the English language''', and I really can't let you focus on the "we're not WP, we can do what we want" argument that I already mooted in my earlier remarks. I only brought up the WP DW project because an earlier poster seemed to be suggesting that DW fiction couldn't be made to fit the standard rules of English punctuation. I was merely pointing out WPDW as an example to the contrary. The question we're facing here is whether we want to use '''good English''' or '''bad English''', not '''Tardis wikia rules''' vs. '''Wikipedia rules'''. Any time you create rules that deviate from standard English you're going to throw people who have been trained in the proper rules, so you're making it more complicated. If a person has to go to a separate page to learn how to use the language they speak and write ''natively'', that's a bit of a worry. | |||
:::::Still, I'm surprised you suggested that I'd be vehemently opposed to the compromise you suggest. You're moving more in the direction of proper English, so I'll take it. ''Of course discussion is about compromise.'' You seem to be basically taking my points on board, with the proviso that "all DW televised stories are italicized". Fine. That's cool. I'll 'ave it. | |||
:::::There's only two issues that're still throwing me: | |||
:::::#The extremely wordy way you're citing shorter works. I see no need to include the work from which a short story or comic is drawn. That's just making things cumbersome, and will render less useful our newly implemented templates like {{tl|DWM}}. Short stories and comics should be — for ease of use with templates and for reasons of sheer brevity — along the lines of [[DWA]]: "[[The Cloud Exiles]]". The reader has all they need to know with that, inasmuch as a simple citation is concerned. They see it's a short story that comes from an annual. If they really want to know ''which'' annual, they can click on [[The Cloud Exiles]]. The precise location of "The Cloud Exiles" is unimportant to the point being made. We do not now cite in such the long-winded way you suggest; there's no reason we should do so just because we switch from italics to quotes. | |||
:::::#What to do about televised non-fictional episodes. I can deal with all fictional televised stories being italicized, but what if it's an episode of ''[[Doctor Who Confidential]]''? Should the rule be, "If it's televised, it's italicized (unless it's a single ep of Hartnell)", or "If it's televised ''and fictional'', it's italicized (save Hartnell eps)"? You may not think this a big deal (and it's not ''that'' big a deal, yet), but I regularly cite ''Confidential'' eps, and have recently put in place the tools to begin making pages for the eps. '''[[User:CzechOut|<span style="background:blue;color:white">Czech</span><span style="background:red;color:white">Out</span>]]''' [[User talk:CzechOut|☎]] | [[Special:Contributions/CzechOut|<font size="+1">✍</font>]] 18:26, June 25, 2010 (UTC) | |||
