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The Doctor didn't really imply that they had met several times before. He said that they keep meeting in the wrong order, but he knows that anyway because River told him in Silence in the Library. River didn't neccessarily recognize Ten. In Time of Angels she said that she had pictures of all of his faces. That conversation was probably only in the episode to explain why she recognized Ten. The picnic at Asgard may have happened before the Byzantium for River, but she wouldn't know what order it happened in for the Doctor. Its not very likely that something as important as the Doctor meeting a mysterious character like River Song, for the second time from his perspective, would occur offscreen.Icecreamdif 03:15, July 22, 2010 (UTC) | The Doctor didn't really imply that they had met several times before. He said that they keep meeting in the wrong order, but he knows that anyway because River told him in Silence in the Library. River didn't neccessarily recognize Ten. In Time of Angels she said that she had pictures of all of his faces. That conversation was probably only in the episode to explain why she recognized Ten. The picnic at Asgard may have happened before the Byzantium for River, but she wouldn't know what order it happened in for the Doctor. Its not very likely that something as important as the Doctor meeting a mysterious character like River Song, for the second time from his perspective, would occur offscreen.Icecreamdif 03:15, July 22, 2010 (UTC) | ||
Without resorting to insults ... Re-watching "Silence in the Library" and their first meeting just now, I agree with Delton that River definitely recognises Ten. | Without resorting to insults ... Re-watching "Silence in the Library" and their first meeting just now, I agree with Delton that River definitely recognises Ten. As soon as she enters the room where she first meets him and Donna, pausing a moment, she walks steadily towards him, and before he or Donna has said anything, she gives a huge smile and greets him warmly with "Hello, Sweetie." He responds "Get out!" as he would to a random group of people in an unsafe place. Only then does Donna say "Doctor..." Later on she starts by calling him 'Pretty Boy' and starts trying to tell him that she knows him and that he should know her - or that he will. I would interpret this as River knowing what Ten looks like at that point. | ||
I do think it could be consistent with her having other meetings with Ten, that are later in his timeline (so he doesn't recognise her at that point) but earlier in hers. | I do think it could be consistent with her having other meetings with Ten, that are later in his timeline (so he doesn't recognise her at that point) but earlier in hers. And because she doesn't recognise Donna, it would mean that those meetings are after Ten has been forced to leave Donna behind. If Moffat has tried to make it clear that the Crash of the Byzantium is ''not definitely'' the second time that the Doctor has met River (from his point of view), and he's the writer of that episode and now the new series, then I wouldn't assume there have been no meetings in between. | ||
As for what kind of viewer could misinterpret something to the extent of seeing something opposite of what was shown ... I hope I've stated clearly enough what was shown. If you want to reinterpret that for me ... feel free :) [[User:TheangelJean|the angel Jean - Smith's little elf]] 03:24, July 22, 2010 (UTC) | As for what kind of viewer could misinterpret something to the extent of seeing something opposite of what was shown ... I hope I've stated clearly enough what was shown. If you want to reinterpret that for me ... feel free :) [[User:TheangelJean|the angel Jean - Smith's little elf]] 03:24, July 22, 2010 (UTC) | ||
In Time of Angels, | In Time of Angels, River said that she had pictures of all of the Doctor's faces. This was clearly meant to explain why she recognized the Tenth Doctor. It doesn't make sense that the Doctor's second meeting with River would have occured offscreen. That would have been to important an event not to show. Unless an episode actually states that the Byzantium crash was not the Doctor's second meeting with River, it should be assumed that it was.Icecreamdif 03:34, July 22, 2010 (UTC) | ||
Of course River knew who would the man be, as she called him to the library, but River clearly said she didn't know which incarnation or at what point in his own timelineTenth is? | |||
Can someone please find where or when did Moffat made it clear that the Crash of the Byzantium is not the second time they meet? | |||
To Delton Mental, where did you get the point that Asguard happened before Byzantium on the Doctor's timeline? --[[Special:Contributions/222.166.181.205|222.166.181.205]] 03:59, July 22, 2010 (UTC) | |||
