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Why is this not part of the Doctor Who universe as well? As with [[Ninth Doctor (The Curse of Fatal Death)]], unless there is something that directly contradicts the TV show, I don't see how it isn't part of the DWU? It comes from what we consider to be a canon source, and as far as I know, doesn't contradict anything. Does anyone disagree? --[[User:The Thirteenth Doctor|The Thirteenth Doctor]] 23:22, October 2, 2010 (UTC) | Why is this not part of the Doctor Who universe as well? As with [[Ninth Doctor (The Curse of Fatal Death)]], unless there is something that directly contradicts the TV show, I don't see how it isn't part of the DWU? It comes from what we consider to be a canon source, and as far as I know, doesn't contradict anything. Does anyone disagree? --[[User:The Thirteenth Doctor|The Thirteenth Doctor]] 23:22, October 2, 2010 (UTC) | ||
:We're maybe slightly inconsistent with what unlicensed productions we present on this wiki. It was a shock to see the edits of unregistered users adding all this [[Audio Visuals]] material to the page when creating a page at the [[w:c:dwexpanded|Doctor Who Expanded]] wiki and adding a link at the bottom to this page would be more appropriate. They really need the page! | :We're maybe slightly inconsistent with what unlicensed productions we present on this wiki. It was a shock to see the edits of unregistered users adding all this [[Audio Visuals]] material to the page when creating a page at the [[w:c:dwexpanded|Doctor Who Expanded]] wiki and adding a link at the bottom to this page would be more appropriate. They really need the page! | ||
:Unless [[Party Animals]] wasn't canon, it is hard to imagine how this guy isn't, though. | :Unless [[Party Animals]] wasn't canon, it is hard to imagine how this guy isn't, though. | ||
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Moved AV content to DWE wiki. --[[User:Nyktimos|Nyktimos]] 03:20, October 5, 2010 (UTC) | Moved AV content to DWE wiki. --[[User:Nyktimos|Nyktimos]] 03:20, October 5, 2010 (UTC) | ||
:::Wow. | :::Wow. What a mess. See, what's happened here is that people have made the mistake of believing that if it's a Doctor-like character played by Nick Briggs, it's all the same as the guy in ''Party Animals''. And that's in no way true. | ||
:::#The ''Party Animals'' Doctor appeared in one thing and one thing only: | :::#The ''Party Animals'' Doctor appeared in one thing and one thing only: ''Party Animals''. Is ''Animals'' canonical? I think that's at least up for debate. It certainly reads like a parody to me. I mean, Bart Simpson ''does'' appear in it, for cryin' out loud. It's really rather the comics equivalent of this year's opening NTA sketch. Or ''Dimensions in Time''. | ||
:::#The AV Doctor is quite beyond our remit. | :::#The AV Doctor is quite beyond our remit. He's fully fan fiction and therefore in no way to be examined by this wiki. | ||
:::#The BBV "Doctor" isn't the Doctor at all. | :::#The BBV "Doctor" isn't the Doctor at all. He's a character named Fred, who may well bear a striking similarity to the Doctor, but obviously can't be the Doctor. BBV had no permission to make fiction involving the Doctor, so therefore Fred is ''not'' the Doctor. Our [[tardis:canon policy]] needs clarification on this point, but BBV should be considered canonical only as far as they use characters and races for which they received legal clearance from a rights holder. At no point did the BBC ''ever'' clear the usage of the Doctor. Just didn't happen. So trying to equate "Fred" with "the Doctor" is a nonsense. A new article at [[Fred]] (which I've just made a broken redirect) needs to be written. | ||
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==Fred, Cyber Hunt Vital Signs== | ==Fred, Cyber Hunt Vital Signs== | ||
Is it enough that the character of Fred is played by Nick Briggs to say 'Fred' the amnesiac traveller and this Doctor are the same individual? In the article it's fairly vague about whether or not it is. --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] 15:44, October 4, 2010 (UTC) | Is it enough that the character of Fred is played by Nick Briggs to say 'Fred' the amnesiac traveller and this Doctor are the same individual? In the article it's fairly vague about whether or not it is. --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] 15:44, October 4, 2010 (UTC) | ||
:Per [http://www.justyce.org/nick-briggs-03-april-2000.html this interview with Briggs] that was apparently Bill Baggs' intent, but the result is less clear on the matter by design. | :Per [http://www.justyce.org/nick-briggs-03-april-2000.html this interview with Briggs] that was apparently Bill Baggs' intent, but the result is less clear on the matter by design. Possibly worth noting under "Behind the scenes," if not the canon section? [[User:Rob T Firefly|Rob T Firefly]] 19:56, October 4, 2010 (UTC) | ||
::I think place it in the behind the scenes. It's fairly unclear, unless there's something really definite to connect them. --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] 14:18, October 5, 2010 (UTC) | ::I think place it in the behind the scenes. It's fairly unclear, unless there's something really definite to connect them. --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] 14:18, October 5, 2010 (UTC) | ||
==Forum discussion== | |||
What the forum should be linked to: | |||
Hey, i was just looking at [[The Doctor (Party Animals)|the Doctor (Party Animals)]] page and it doesn't seem to include the Audio Visuals appearances in the infobox yet the BBV ones are there. Are they a special case? (although like BBV they are also fan made) as a passage on the article states: | |||
"During the course of the AudioVisuals story ''Planet of Lies'', the [[Dalek]]s succeed in destroying [[Gallifrey]]. When this version of the Doctor meets the [[Seventh Doctor]], he obliquely hints at this" | |||
This could be seen as bringing those stories into "alternate timeline" status similar to what the Tomorrow Windows did to the Shalka Doctor et al. | |||
I just thought that i would run it by you before doing anything. [[User:Revanvolatrelundar|Revanvolatrelundar]] 21:32, January 27, 2011 (UTC) | |||
The AV stories ''aren't'' canon, they're fan audios. There was a discussion relating to this on the [[Talk:The Doctor (Party Animals)]] page. | |||
The BBV stories were made by a production company (you can't really call it "fan made" using the definition it was made by fans of the programme, if you used that definition then the BBC Wales series is fan made because likely more than half the production team are fans). --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] / '''[[User talk:Tangerineduel|talk]]''' 13:13, January 28, 2011 (UTC) | |||
