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::I always thought FP happened because Larry Miles pitched one of his famous hissy-fits cause he didn't like how ''The Ancestor Cell'' had been written, so he took his toys off to another universe to play. Aren't all the references to the DWU incredibly oblique and, in any case, one-way? Actual, branded DW stuff doesn't directly and unambiguously refer to FP elements, does it? I could have sworn it was all "coded language" to avoid copyright probs with the BBC —just like most of BBV's output. It's not ''actually'' the Time Lords or Gallifrey, right? {{user:CzechOut/Sig}} | ::I always thought FP happened because Larry Miles pitched one of his famous hissy-fits cause he didn't like how ''The Ancestor Cell'' had been written, so he took his toys off to another universe to play. Aren't all the references to the DWU incredibly oblique and, in any case, one-way? Actual, branded DW stuff doesn't directly and unambiguously refer to FP elements, does it? I could have sworn it was all "coded language" to avoid copyright probs with the BBC —just like most of BBV's output. It's not ''actually'' the Time Lords or Gallifrey, right? {{user:CzechOut/Sig}} | ||
::If its not the Time Lords or Gallifrey then it's hard to see how Lolita, one of the Master's (called as such in Toy Story) previous TARDISes. Faction Paradox preys heavily on Doctor Who's past, with Morbius, Chris Cwej, Compassion and many other characters appearing. The "Evil Renegade" who Cwej used to travel with is also the Doctor. BBC books in the "War arc" like Unnatural History and the Taking of Planet 5 reference events that occured within the Faction Paradox books (Time Lords deserting Gallifrey, Mictlan being destroyed etc.). --[[User:Revanvolatrelundar|Revan]]\[[User_talk:Revanvolatrelundar|Talk]] 13:31, January 31, 2011 (UTC) | ::If its not the Time Lords or Gallifrey then it's hard to see how Lolita, one of the Master's (called as such in Toy Story) previous TARDISes. Faction Paradox preys heavily on Doctor Who's past, with Morbius, Chris Cwej, Compassion and many other characters appearing. The "Evil Renegade" who Cwej used to travel with is also the Doctor. BBC books in the "War arc" like Unnatural History and the Taking of Planet 5 reference events that occured within the Faction Paradox books (Time Lords deserting Gallifrey, Mictlan being destroyed etc.). --[[User:Revanvolatrelundar|Revan]]\[[User_talk:Revanvolatrelundar|Talk]] 13:31, January 31, 2011 (UTC) | ||
:::What I have a problem with in regards to FP is the fact that it is an explicit reaction ''against'' ''The Ancestor Cell''. I mean, it was the desire of the rights holders — the BBC, through their publishing arm, BBC Books — to end the FP story arc. They decided to kill it. Miles brought it back, saying that he was therefore going to ''ignore'' ''The Ancestor Cell''. It's therefore a deliberate attempt to create another universe which is ''not'' the ''Doctor Who'' universe. Dig, for example, this quote from Miles himself: | |||
::::Q: So you don't feel that the Faction's too close to Doctor Who? | |||
::::A: No. I'm too much of a monomaniac, probably. While I was writing INTERFERENCE, I think I started to realize that I didn't really want to write about the Doctor any more. I was more interested in the universe around him, and as it was my book that meant the little sub-bubble universe I'd built up since ALIEN BODIES. Which isn't really the Doctor Who universe at all, of course, although it does owe a huge debt to Robert Holmes. So I feel very very comfortable writing stories set in that universe which don't, for example, contain the word TARDIS. Besides, I think Faction Paradox have done their bit in the novels. It would've been terrible, to keep inflicting them on people who just wanted a Doctor story rather than a time-travelling voodoo-cult story.[http://www.curufea.com/Wikka/wikka.php?wakka=FactionFinal] | |||
:::If the creator of the universe himself is saying, directly, it "isn't really the Dotor Who Universe at all", why are we arguing with him? It just seems easier to believe Miles and go with the BBC-approved timeline than to refer to things that are clearly set in at least an ''alternate'' DWU ''as if'' they were things that happened in the "real" DWU. It's awfully misleading to slip a FP ref into the middle of an article about a DWU topic, because it won't convey to the average reader the notion that '''this statement is true if and only if you deem the events of ''The Ancestor Cell'' non-canonical.''' The truth of the matter is that that FP at Mad Norwegian and other companies is absolutely '''not''' a part of BBC-approved continuity. It's quite different from the Benny stuff, I think, which is simply the further adventures of an ex-companion. It was Miles saying "screw you" to BBC Books. We ''can't'' treat it as just another corner of the DWU. '''In no way, should (Mad Norwegian and beyond) FP be referenced in DWU articles.''' | |||
:::We would definitely need to create new language within [[tardis:canon policy]] to explain this, however. Especially since [[Faction Paradox]] ''is'' canonical, but the lines referred to by the acronym [[FP]] are not. Articles like [[Hellfire Club]], [[Timeship]] and rather incredibly [[Eighth Doctor - Timeline]] really bug me, because they claim a mixture of FP and DWU sources which imply a consistent narrative that simply doesn't exist. The timeline article really has me shakin' my head, because, as ''[[Toy Story]]'' appears in the Mad Norwegian version of ''[[Dead Romance]]'', it can't include language that identifies the Doctor or any other BBC elements (or if it does, it does so quite illegally). And its original printing was in a charity publication, so there was ''never'' any BBC license employed. It's '''fan fiction''' written by a published author, who then later repurposed it in such a way that he could publish it in his own line of books. | |||
:::No, I fully admit that Faction Paradox existed within the DWU at one time. But its storyline concluded with ''The Ancestor Cell'' and that's as far as we should go with it. Anything else is doing a disservice to our readers. There's a [[w:c:factionparadox:Main Page|Faction Paradox Wiki]], desperately in need of contributions. I say we shunt all our stuff there and stick a link on our main page with all the other "related" wikis. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}} | |||
