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* How can the Doctor so casually alter time?
* How can the Doctor so casually alter time?


The long and short is "suspencion of disbelief". If we're going to theorize though on how the Doctor gets away with it... The people he is acting to save and manipulating are the "little people" - the ones that really don't count so changing their fate doesn't affect much. Also there is a swing to the changes in Kazran - the Chistmas at Sinatra's being the obiouspush-back.
::The long and short is "suspension of disbelief". If we're going to theorize though on how the Doctor gets away with it... The people he is acting to save and manipulating are the "little people" - the ones that really don't count so changing their fate doesn't affect much. Also there is a swing to the changes in Kazran - the Chistmas at Sinatra's being the obvious push-back.


* How come Kazran seems exactly the same when time has been altered? These were huge hanges.
* How come Kazran seems exactly the same when time has been altered? These were huge changes.


You have to accept that the POV the story follows is for the most part that of Kazran. He is aware his history is being manipulated, and for the story to work, is comparing the changes. Also, the only physical change shown was to the paining. We don't see the stash of photos or the damages sonic screwdriver "appear" in the present nor do we see them prior to Kazran unearthing them.
You have to accept that the POV the story follows is for the most part that of Kazran. He is aware his history is being manipulated, and for the story to work, is comparing the changes. Also, the only physical change shown was to the paining. We don't see the stash of photos or the damages sonic screwdriver "appear" in the present nor do we see them prior to Kazran unearthing them.
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Use your imagination - they are on their honneymoon so a few possibilities immediatly present themselves.
Use your imagination - they are on their honneymoon so a few possibilities immediatly present themselves.


* In the time that the Doctor disregarded rules set down for the universe's safety and which even gods fear to break, he could have probably got all the ship's inhabitants into his Tardis and taken them to a friendlier planet.
* In the time that the Doctor disregarded rules set down for the universe's safety, he could have probably got all the ship's inhabitants into his Tardis and taken them to a friendlier planet.


And that would still leave the ship heading for a crash landing... and possibly cousing death and destruction for the planet.
::It is said at the beginning that the TARDIS cannot lock on to the crashing ship.
 
He also says the clouds are interfearing and he can't get a lock on it.


* Amy and Rory already went on their honeymoon - it was mentioned in [[Death of the Doctor]].
* Amy and Rory already went on their honeymoon - it was mentioned in [[Death of the Doctor]].
::And we at the end the episode with them about to go on another. Why don't you watch the episode?
::And we at the end the episode with them about to go on another.  
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::Also the ship they were on might have been from that planet.
::Also the ship they were on might have been from that planet.
*When the two Kazrans touch, this should result in a paradox due to the [[Blinovitch Limitation Effect]]. ([[DW]]: ''[[Mawdryn Undead]]'', ''[[Father's Day]]'').
*When the two Kazrans touch, this should result in a paradox due to the [[Blinovitch Limitation Effect]]. ([[DW]]: ''[[Mawdryn Undead]]'', ''[[Father's Day]]'').
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::Yes, and that's a valid point. However, several possible explanations have been given above. The Doctor may have taken precautions to prevent this. We know Time Lords can do so, and note that the TARDIS door is distinctly open while the two Kazrans interact.
::Yes, and that's a valid point. However, several possible explanations have been given above. The Doctor may have taken precautions to prevent this. We know Time Lords can do so, and note that the TARDIS door is distinctly open while the two Kazrans interact.
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::Another possibility is that the young kazran is from just after he and the doctor first met, and as such, before the doctor changed kazran, meaning that although they were the same person, they different versions of the same person, like how amy was able to touch her younger self withought any problems in the big bang, because due to the changes in time, they had become to different people.
::Another possibility is that the young Kazran is from just after he and the doctor first met, and as such, before the doctor changed Kazran, meaning that although they were the same person, they different versions of the same person, like how amy was able to touch her younger self withought any problems in the big bang, because due to the changes in time, they had become to different people.
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::It seems like it is possible in the Whoniverse for there to be two "endpoints" in time which are joined together. One endpoint moves through time at the normal rate, whereas the other end moves at a faster rate (e.g The Girl in the Fireplace, Prisoner Zero). So perhaps Timelords have some ability to control this. The Doctor creates two endpoints, one in Kazran's "present", the other in his past, and links them, perhaps by means of the "movie projector". The endpoint in Kazran's present moves forward at a normal rate, so he can be aware of changes being made in his past. The other endpoint moves forward at a faster rate. The Doctor is changing Kazran's past, but in such a way that it only affects Kazran and Abigail. Another way to think of this might be: - when the Doctor travels into Kazran's past and starts changing things, this creates an alternate universe version of Kazran. Over the course of the episode, the original version of Kazran is gradually replaced by the alternate universe version of him, whilst everyhting else - e.g. the controls, remain in their original universe state. [[Special:Contributions/187.112.12.108|187.112.12.108]] 13:07, February 4, 2011 (UTC)
::It seems like it is possible in the Whoniverse for there to be two "endpoints" in time which are joined together. One endpoint moves through time at the normal rate, whereas the other end moves at a faster rate (e.g The Girl in the Fireplace, Prisoner Zero). So perhaps Timelords have some ability to control this. The Doctor creates two endpoints, one in Kazran's "present", the other in his past, and links them, perhaps by means of the "movie projector". The endpoint in Kazran's present moves forward at a normal rate, so he can be aware of changes being made in his past. The other endpoint moves forward at a faster rate. The Doctor is changing Kazran's past, but in such a way that it only affects Kazran and Abigail. Another way to think of this might be: - when the Doctor travels into Kazran's past and starts changing things, this creates an alternate universe version of Kazran. Over the course of the episode, the original version of Kazran is gradually replaced by the alternate universe version of him, whilst everyhting else - e.g. the controls, remain in their original universe state.
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