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::::Regarding the time lock part, I think the time lock only locked the period within the Last Great Time War, and this still doesn't contradict anything in that the fall of Gallifrey may be a reference to the civilization rather than the planet, and it was just pointless for the Doctor to go back to a war-torn and abandoned Gallifrey (or he did in unchronoicled adventures and the constant references to the destroyed Gallifrey that he couldn't go back to was also a reference to the culture as well as the planet instead of just the planet alone); or that Gallifrey the planet is literally destroyed but Skaro wasn't (since we only saw Gallifrey popping up when Rassilon comes to the Humanitarian Era). Moreover, regardless of what the Doctor says, we can assume him to be a somewhat reliable but biased source of information for the fall of Gallifrey, but it is highly doubtful if he can be considered a realiable source of information for what happened to the Dalek's side of the war...an example is how he had no real idea what happened to Davros and assume him dead. We have to remember that the Doctor is a Timelord, the greatest enemy of the Daleks, a highly biased source of information, and not an omniscient being. The Doctor has misinformed us or he, himself, has believed wrongly about the following involving the Last Great Time War:
::::Regarding the time lock part, I think the time lock only locked the period within the Last Great Time War, and this still doesn't contradict anything in that the fall of Gallifrey may be a reference to the civilization rather than the planet, and it was just pointless for the Doctor to go back to a war-torn and abandoned Gallifrey (or he did in unchronoicled adventures and the constant references to the destroyed Gallifrey that he couldn't go back to was also a reference to the culture as well as the planet instead of just the planet alone); or that Gallifrey the planet is literally destroyed but Skaro wasn't (since we only saw Gallifrey popping up when Rassilon comes to the Humanitarian Era). Moreover, regardless of what the Doctor says, we can assume him to be a somewhat reliable but biased source of information for the fall of Gallifrey, but it is highly doubtful if he can be considered a realiable source of information for what happened to the Dalek's side of the war...an example is how he had no real idea what happened to Davros and assume him dead. We have to remember that the Doctor is a Timelord, the greatest enemy of the Daleks, a highly biased source of information, and not an omniscient being. The Doctor has misinformed us or he, himself, has believed wrongly about the following involving the Last Great Time War:
::::*The Timelords were peaceloving: By the end of the war, they try to destroy to destroy all of existence...this is questionably any more peace-loving than the Daleks.
::::*The Timelords were peaceloving: By the end of the war, they try to destroy to destroy all of existence...this is questionably any more peace-loving than the Daleks.
:::::*Actually, he states that they changed and that he had no choice but to destroy them.
:::::*Actually, he states that they changed and that he had no choice but to destroy them.
::::*Davros is dead: Davros says, " Hello, Doctor."
::::*Davros is dead: Davros says, " Hello, Doctor."
:::::*Davros was dead. Somehow Caan broke the timelock and rescued him...doing so drove the Dalek insane
 
:::::*Davros was dead. Somehow Caan broke the timelock and rescued him...doing so drove the Dalek insane
 
::::*He has exterminated the Daleks: well, he hasn't, and they're thriving...
::::*He has exterminated the Daleks: well, he hasn't, and they're thriving...
::::*He is the last of his kind: "Oooh..new voice...Hello, there..."
::::*He is the last of his kind: "Oooh..new voice...Hello, there..."
:::::*He was the last of his race. Remember, the master used the chameleon arch and even he did not remember who he was.
 
:::::*He was the last of his race. Remember, the master used the chameleon arch and even he did not remember who he was.
 
::::*There is no way to make contact with what was inside the timelock: Dalek Caan answers "Hey Davros! I'm just dropping by from outside the Time War. You wanna temporal shift together?" Doctor answers, "well, except Dalek Caan, it costed him his sanity." Daleks from/from before the Time War come out from the void. The whole of Gallifrey time travels to the Humanitarian Era; all the Timelords pop out. Someone who is possible the Doctor's mom pops up all the time in random places on Earth. Rassilon throws a diamond into space DURING the centre of teh Time War, and it reaches Earth in Humanitarian Era. Even K9 Mark I mysteriously pops up in the Humanitarian Era. Basically, everything from the Time War is here.
::::*There is no way to make contact with what was inside the timelock: Dalek Caan answers "Hey Davros! I'm just dropping by from outside the Time War. You wanna temporal shift together?" Doctor answers, "well, except Dalek Caan, it costed him his sanity." Daleks from/from before the Time War come out from the void. The whole of Gallifrey time travels to the Humanitarian Era; all the Timelords pop out. Someone who is possible the Doctor's mom pops up all the time in random places on Earth. Rassilon throws a diamond into space DURING the centre of teh Time War, and it reaches Earth in Humanitarian Era. Even K9 Mark I mysteriously pops up in the Humanitarian Era. Basically, everything from the Time War is here.
:::::*Actually, each of those had exceptional circumstances. You already mentioned Caan's insanity. The Timelords planted the drumming in the Master's head. These were exceptions, not the rule.
 
:::::*Actually, each of those had exceptional circumstances. You already mentioned Caan's insanity. The Timelords planted the drumming in the Master's head. These were exceptions, not the rule.
 
::::*With the Timelords gone, it is impossible to travel to another universe: except someone does it almost every series since series 2.
::::*With the Timelords gone, it is impossible to travel to another universe: except someone does it almost every series since series 2.
:::::*He never said it was impossible, just difficult. The first time nearly killed the TARDIS, the other times had a very serious side effect (ie, nearly tearing the universe apart).
 
:::::*He never said it was impossible, just difficult. The first time nearly killed the TARDIS, the other times had a very serious side effect (ie, nearly tearing the universe apart).
 
::::*I am the last of the Timelords, the Laws of Time obey me: they don't and Adelaide [sp] still dies...
::::*I am the last of the Timelords, the Laws of Time obey me: they don't and Adelaide [sp] still dies...
:::::*This was hubris on the Doctor's part...something he admitted and had remorse for. All counter-points by [[User:Ripmssmith|Rest In Peace Sarah Jane]] \ [[User_talk:Ripmssmith|Talk to me!]] 19:32, April 25, 2011 (UTC)
 
:::::*This was hubris on the Doctor's part...something he admitted and had remorse for. All counter-points by [[User:Ripmssmith|Rest In Peace Sarah Jane]] \ [[User_talk:Ripmssmith|Talk to me!]] 19:32, April 25, 2011 (UTC)
::: Not to mention everytime the Doctor says "can't be" about something, the thing is certain to happen. Now that I come to think of it...almost every point he made about the Time War is wrong...and he is as reliable as an ignorant renegade Timelord who wasn't really involved in the Time War and merely commenting on it in a historical perspective...which makes sense, since he only mentioned that he was involved in ending it and seeing Davros' fall and didn't say anything about him being in the actual Time War. --[[Special:Contributions/222.166.181.228|222.166.181.228]] 08:24, July 31, 2010 (UTC)
::: Not to mention everytime the Doctor says "can't be" about something, the thing is certain to happen. Now that I come to think of it...almost every point he made about the Time War is wrong...and he is as reliable as an ignorant renegade Timelord who wasn't really involved in the Time War and merely commenting on it in a historical perspective...which makes sense, since he only mentioned that he was involved in ending it and seeing Davros' fall and didn't say anything about him being in the actual Time War. --[[Special:Contributions/222.166.181.228|222.166.181.228]] 08:24, July 31, 2010 (UTC)
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::: Well, except for all that stuff he said about having survived the Time War by fighting, and witnessing the Fall of Arcadia, the Skaro Degredations, the Could've Been King, as well as tons of other references to having properly fought in the Time War.[[User:Gowron8472|Gowron8472]] 20:43, April 25, 2011 (UTC)
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