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:::::I see your point. However, the "canon" referred to here, I think, was meant to be referring to the main universe the three ''Whouniverse ''series are set in. (you are right, the conflicting events of novels, etc, could be true in parallel universes) As for the Doctor's regenerations, as both are in the ''Whouniverse'', us fans will do what we always do; find a reason until a "real" one is explained on screen LOL. I think that, probably, the Doctor was not being serious when talking to Clive, maybe just saying that to impress him, or because his mind was otherwise occupied, etc. Or maybe the previous statement of 13 was a lie... but I, like you, give the main series canoncical priority. | :::::I see your point. However, the "canon" referred to here, I think, was meant to be referring to the main universe the three ''Whouniverse ''series are set in. (you are right, the conflicting events of novels, etc, could be true in parallel universes) As for the Doctor's regenerations, as both are in the ''Whouniverse'', us fans will do what we always do; find a reason until a "real" one is explained on screen LOL. I think that, probably, the Doctor was not being serious when talking to Clive, maybe just saying that to impress him, or because his mind was otherwise occupied, etc. Or maybe the previous statement of 13 was a lie... but I, like you, give the main series canoncical priority. | ||
::The "507 times" was not accidentally different from the established 13 incarnations. So, it was presumably one of three things: a glib, off-hand comment by the Doctor (he's known for these, and they are not always true), a reference to something other than the standard regeneration process we know of, or an indication that the number of regenerations has changed since the old days (likely somehow related to the Time War). We can expect that this will be addressed in future episodes. | ::The "507 times" was not accidentally different from the established 13 incarnations. So, it was presumably one of three things: a glib, off-hand comment by the Doctor (he's known for these, and they are not always true), a reference to something other than the standard regeneration process we know of, or an indication that the number of regenerations has changed since the old days (likely somehow related to the Time War). We can expect that this will be addressed in future episodes. | ||
:::It would seem to me that the simplest explanation is probably the correct one - the Doc is a <u>renegade</u> Time Lord, remember. Assuming this 'only 12 regenerations' rule is something handed down by Cardinal Rassilon, or the High Council, rather than an inherent physical limitation, this could mean that he could continue to regenerate as many times as he likes, especially as Rassilon, and the rest of the High Council, along with all the other Time Lords, are trapped within the Last Great Time War. Of course, you do have to take into account the various machinations that the Master undertook in order to beg/borrow/steal another regeneration cycle, or extend his life in a variety of ways that didn't involve regeneration, but most of them took place when the Time Lords were still around, so he may have avoided doing so simply because he knew there would terrible consequences from them if he did. The Doc doesn't have that concern. Hell, for all we know, as the last of the Time Lords, he, on his own, may be the de facto High Council, and, as such, has the power to grant himself additional regeneration cycles as he sees fit - and that is something that the High Council can do, as they offered this to the Master in The Five Doctors. | |||
*Wouldn't Sarah Jane object to [[Tia Karim]] being in her attic and seeing Mr Smith. Previously she didn't want UNIT to know about him. | *Wouldn't Sarah Jane object to [[Tia Karim]] being in her attic and seeing Mr Smith. Previously she didn't want UNIT to know about him. | ||
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* Plot hole not discontinuity: why would UNIT send that many armed soldiers just to tell Sarah Jane that the Doctor is dead? Why draw that kind of attention? There's no indication they expected any danger. Why not just send a couple of soldiers in one vehicle and be a lot less obtrusive? | * Plot hole not discontinuity: why would UNIT send that many armed soldiers just to tell Sarah Jane that the Doctor is dead? Why draw that kind of attention? There's no indication they expected any danger. Why not just send a couple of soldiers in one vehicle and be a lot less obtrusive? | ||
::UNIT probably knows that dangerous aliens on Bannerman Road are not uncommon, so they sent that many soldiers for "safety in numbers". Also, Tia Karim could be a very high-ranking, important member of UNIT, so that number of soldiers could be deemed nessesary for her protection. | ::UNIT probably knows that dangerous aliens on Bannerman Road are not uncommon, so they sent that many soldiers for "safety in numbers". Also, Tia Karim could be a very high-ranking, important member of UNIT, so that number of soldiers could be deemed nessesary for her protection. | ||
:::That doesn't wash for me. If shes' so important that she can't go out in public without that sort of protection (and even the Brig isn't that important), then someone else should be sent for death notices (esp. for a semi-secret organization). And there is no way they can believe Bannerman road is so dangerous that they can't travel there without a lot of guns - else they'd evacuate the area and not have the civillion population there. And even if that was the reason (and I don't buy it, as I said) then such an explanation would need to be given on screen, because it is not something the (child) audience could intuit. I think it's clearly done for "shock value" with no consideration for the fact that it makes no sense. | :::That doesn't wash for me. If shes' so important that she can't go out in public without that sort of protection (and even the Brig isn't that important), then someone else should be sent for death notices (esp. for a semi-secret organization). And there is no way they can believe Bannerman road is so dangerous that they can't travel there without a lot of guns - else they'd evacuate the area and not have the civillion population there. And even if that was the reason (and I don't buy it, as I said) then such an explanation would need to be given on screen, because it is not something the (child) audience could intuit. I think it's clearly done for "shock value" with no consideration for the fact that it makes no sense. | ||
* Sarah Jane asked what happened to the [[sonic screwdriver]], and [[the Doctor]] said the [[Shansheeth]] had taken it off him, so how come later he says it's in the[[ TARDIS]] when the Shansheeth can't get inside to put it there in the first place. | * Sarah Jane asked what happened to the [[sonic screwdriver]], and [[the Doctor]] said the [[Shansheeth]] had taken it off him, so how come later he says it's in the[[ TARDIS]] when the Shansheeth can't get inside to put it there in the first place. | ||
