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: Well, I'm a tad skeptical about the reliability of the majority of DW novels, particularly those written during the "wilderness years" between the end of the classic series and the beginning of the new one. Anything they say, I take with a pinch of salt. But if there are Eyes inside all TARDISes, it could just be that they were initially entirely separate from the prime Eye on Gallifrey, and were artificial singularities named in honour of the semi-mythical artifact. The creation of singularities doesn't appear too difficult for Time Lord science, as the Tenth Doctor stated in The Impossible Planet that his people "practically created black holes." [[Special:Contributions/213.121.200.42|213.121.200.42]] 09:41, August 17, 2011 (UTC) | : Well, I'm a tad skeptical about the reliability of the majority of DW novels, particularly those written during the "wilderness years" between the end of the classic series and the beginning of the new one. Anything they say, I take with a pinch of salt. But if there are Eyes inside all TARDISes, it could just be that they were initially entirely separate from the prime Eye on Gallifrey, and were artificial singularities named in honour of the semi-mythical artifact. The creation of singularities doesn't appear too difficult for Time Lord science, as the Tenth Doctor stated in The Impossible Planet that his people "practically created black holes." [[Special:Contributions/213.121.200.42|213.121.200.42]] 09:41, August 17, 2011 (UTC) | ||
:: You're free to come up with your own rules for canon and continuity. But if you don't accept anything from the novels, then all of the stuff I was answering there (the Doctor being the reincarnation of the Other, etc.) isn't relevant in the first place. And of course you don't need to resolve the two contradictory answers to the original question (duplicate or link?). | :: You're free to come up with your own rules for canon and continuity. But if you don't accept anything from the novels, then all of the stuff I was answering there (the Doctor being the reincarnation of the Other, etc.) isn't relevant in the first place. And of course you don't need to resolve the two contradictory answers to the original question (duplicate or link?). | ||
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:: If you want a firm answer to what the Eye is, there just isn't one on TV. RTD gave us one off-screen, and it's the same one that was used in the novels (it's a link to the original—and maybe also an "avatar" or "symbol" of the original), but you're free to ignore that. In that case, we don't know what it is. It could be a link, it could be a duplicate, maybe the Doctor even stole the original the last time he was on Gallifrey or something. Of course all explanations make the two classic stories a little weird, but those stories were already hard to reconcile before the TV movie. | :: If you want a firm answer to what the Eye is, there just isn't one on TV. RTD gave us one off-screen, and it's the same one that was used in the novels (it's a link to the original—and maybe also an "avatar" or "symbol" of the original), but you're free to ignore that. In that case, we don't know what it is. It could be a link, it could be a duplicate, maybe the Doctor even stole the original the last time he was on Gallifrey or something. Of course all explanations make the two classic stories a little weird, but those stories were already hard to reconcile before the TV movie. | ||
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:: For the retina thing, ignoring everything non-TV makes it much easier: The Doctor is half-human, because the only places that was ever explained as not true are comics and audios; half-human Time Lords are presumably very rare or even unique, so it's pretty obvious that he or the TARDIS deliberately used the human retina scan to protect against other Time Lords—and, as the TV movie showed, they weren't being overly paranoid. --[[Special:Contributions/173.228.85.35|173.228.85.35]] 04:22, August 18, 2011 (UTC) | :: For the retina thing, ignoring everything non-TV makes it much easier: The Doctor is half-human, because the only places that was ever explained as not true are comics and audios; half-human Time Lords are presumably very rare or even unique, so it's pretty obvious that he or the TARDIS deliberately used the human retina scan to protect against other Time Lords—and, as the TV movie showed, they weren't being overly paranoid. --[[Special:Contributions/173.228.85.35|173.228.85.35]] 04:22, August 18, 2011 (UTC) | ||
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In ''The Science of Doctor Who ''by Paul Parsons (not an official BBC guide to the show), there are a few references to the Eye of Harmony and its use as a power source. On p288, it's pointed out that one way to get energy out of a black hole is to drop stuff into it and the stuff being dropped in forms an accretion disc that has a hole in its centre. Viewed from the right angle, such an assembly would look somewhat like an eye. --[[Special:Contributions/89.242.66.20|89.242.66.20]] 21:44, August 17, 2011 (UTC) | In ''The Science of Doctor Who ''by Paul Parsons (not an official BBC guide to the show), there are a few references to the Eye of Harmony and its use as a power source. On p288, it's pointed out that one way to get energy out of a black hole is to drop stuff into it and the stuff being dropped in forms an accretion disc that has a hole in its centre. Viewed from the right angle, such an assembly would look somewhat like an eye. --[[Special:Contributions/89.242.66.20|89.242.66.20]] 21:44, August 17, 2011 (UTC) | ||
: Yes, that's exactly Kip Thorne's second design, which is very popular in scifi because it has a cool visual image that's easy to describe. Later, Penrose showed that you don't even really need to continually feed it matter (if it's spinning fast enough), which makes it a little more useful for embedding in a planet or a TARDIS. --[[Special:Contributions/173.228.85.35|173.228.85.35]] 04:22, August 18, 2011 (UTC) | |||
: Well, here's what I think: The TARDIS is so terrifically old that it was built during the rule of Rassilon, which explains the ancient architecture of the Cloister. When automobiles were first designed, they had internal combustion engines to power them. Now, electric cars are becoming slightly used and no longer need an engine. Therefore, as we would be surprised by anyone driving down the street in a Ford Model T or Benz Patent Motor Wagen, the Time Lords are surprised by somebody using Type 40 as a regular TARDIS. Because the Time Lords are so advanced by the time we first see them, they have reached the 'electric car' age, understanding how to power a TARDIS without linking them directly to the Eye of Harmony on Gallifrey, as we now have some level of understanding how to power a vehicle without the need of an internal combustion engine. | |||
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