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I agree with Gallifrey102. Whenever the Doctor would go back to Gallifrey in the classic series, Time Lords would be amazed that a type-40 still existed, and the TARDIS herself said that she was a museum piece when the Doctor was young. They ever talked about the power source behind the TARDIS in the classic series, and it is possible that most people simply didn't know that it was different from modern TARDISes. If all TARDISes had a link to the eye, then why the elaborate plot of assassinating the Lord President. Why wouldn't the Master just use the eye in his own TARDIS. Just because the power source has been upgraded doesn't mean that the controls have damatically changed, and Romana did have to read the manual. At one point didn't she even mention how flying archaic ships wasn't a required course at the academy? Besides, just beccause the put the type-40s out of service only 700 years ago doesn't mean that they weren't commissioned 6500 years ago.[[User:Icecreamdif|Icecreamdif]] 04:35, August 19, 2011 (UTC) | I agree with Gallifrey102. Whenever the Doctor would go back to Gallifrey in the classic series, Time Lords would be amazed that a type-40 still existed, and the TARDIS herself said that she was a museum piece when the Doctor was young. They ever talked about the power source behind the TARDIS in the classic series, and it is possible that most people simply didn't know that it was different from modern TARDISes. If all TARDISes had a link to the eye, then why the elaborate plot of assassinating the Lord President. Why wouldn't the Master just use the eye in his own TARDIS. Just because the power source has been upgraded doesn't mean that the controls have damatically changed, and Romana did have to read the manual. At one point didn't she even mention how flying archaic ships wasn't a required course at the academy? Besides, just beccause the put the type-40s out of service only 700 years ago doesn't mean that they weren't commissioned 6500 years ago.[[User:Icecreamdif|Icecreamdif]] 04:35, August 19, 2011 (UTC) | ||
<p style="margin-left: 40px; ">Of course people were amazed that a type-40 still existed—they'd all been decommissioned centuries ago. If an 1860s ironclad showed up at Portsmouth, everyone would be amazed that it still existed, but that wouldn't mean it was from the original British fleet in the 9th century. --[[Special:Contributions/173.228.85.35|173.228.85.35]] 20:41, August 21, 2011 (UTC)</p> | |||
This is why I suspect that the Eye in the Doctor's TARDIS (and possibly other TARDISes) was originally totally separate from the Eye on Gallifrey, most likely a much smaller, artificial singularity. Then, after TDA, when the prime Eye was rediscovered, all mini-Eyes on all TARDISes were linked up to it. [[Special:Contributions/82.2.136.93|82.2.136.93]] 15:11, August 19, 2011 (UTC) | This is why I suspect that the Eye in the Doctor's TARDIS (and possibly other TARDISes) was originally totally separate from the Eye on Gallifrey, most likely a much smaller, artificial singularity. Then, after TDA, when the prime Eye was rediscovered, all mini-Eyes on all TARDISes were linked up to it. [[Special:Contributions/82.2.136.93|82.2.136.93]] 15:11, August 19, 2011 (UTC) | ||
<p style="margin-left: 40px; ">But that would mean that all TARDISes _except the Doctor's_ had links to the Eye, which doesn't help at all, since it's the Doctor's that you're trying to explain. --[[Special:Contributions/173.228.85.35|173.228.85.35]] 20:41, August 21, 2011 (UTC)</p> | |||
Hang on, if there are Eyes of Harmony inside all TARDISes, built along the same principles as the semi-mythical Eye that Rassilon brought to Gallifrey, then why does the Master need to find the prime Eye to regenerate himself in TDA? Why doesn't he use the Eye inside a TARDIS, which are much easier to get hold of? Even if a TARDIS Eye is smaller, I should think it would still be adequate to his needs. [[Special:Contributions/82.2.136.93|82.2.136.93]] 14:06, August 21, 2011 (UTC) | Hang on, if there are Eyes of Harmony inside all TARDISes, built along the same principles as the semi-mythical Eye that Rassilon brought to Gallifrey, then why does the Master need to find the prime Eye to regenerate himself in TDA? Why doesn't he use the Eye inside a TARDIS, which are much easier to get hold of? Even if a TARDIS Eye is smaller, I should think it would still be adequate to his needs. [[Special:Contributions/82.2.136.93|82.2.136.93]] 14:06, August 21, 2011 (UTC) | ||
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It must be nice to be smarter than the Master. | It must be nice to be smarter than the Master. Let's see. Assuming he thought of this in time, would he prefer to kill some Time Lord who he has no feelings about and alert the Time Lords that he's pulling this stuff, or do it by killing his worst enemy and using his Eye of Harmony, which the Time Lords cannot track? Of course, Im sure that you can come up with flaws in the plan, but I am sure you could equally easily come up with solutions if you were interested in it. [[Special:Contributions/66.108.91.28|66.108.91.28]] 19:06, August 21, 2011 (UTC) | ||
But in ''The Deadly Assassin'', his goal wasn't really to kill the Doctor any of his normal evil goals. In that episode, the aws afraid of death, and nothing was more important than staying alive. He would go with the plan that had the most likelihood of succeeding, not the one where he gets to kill the Doctor. Sneaking onto Gallifrey, assassinating the Lord President, framing the Doctor for murder, and finding the main Eye of Harmony that hasn't been seen ince the time of Rasillon is much more complicated than simply taking Goth down to the Eye of Harmony in his TARDIS and stealing his remaining regenerations. Even if he really wanted to incorporate killing the Doctor into his plan, it would have made more sense to find the Doctor and bring him down to the TARDIS eye like he did in the TV movie without bringing him to Gallifrey. It is much simpler to assume that not all TARDISes have an Eye of Harmony.[[User:Icecreamdif|Icecreamdif]] 19:40, August 21, 2011 (UTC) | But in ''The Deadly Assassin'', his goal wasn't really to kill the Doctor any of his normal evil goals. In that episode, the aws afraid of death, and nothing was more important than staying alive. He would go with the plan that had the most likelihood of succeeding, not the one where he gets to kill the Doctor. Sneaking onto Gallifrey, assassinating the Lord President, framing the Doctor for murder, and finding the main Eye of Harmony that hasn't been seen ince the time of Rasillon is much more complicated than simply taking Goth down to the Eye of Harmony in his TARDIS and stealing his remaining regenerations. Even if he really wanted to incorporate killing the Doctor into his plan, it would have made more sense to find the Doctor and bring him down to the TARDIS eye like he did in the TV movie without bringing him to Gallifrey. It is much simpler to assume that not all TARDISes have an Eye of Harmony.[[User:Icecreamdif|Icecreamdif]] 19:40, August 21, 2011 (UTC) | ||
Let me restate the answer given by RTD: Every TARDIS has a representation of the Eye of Harmony back on Gallifrey, linked to that Eye, through which it draws power, and that's what we saw in the movie. Because the other side of the link is no longer there, the Doctor has had to come up with different ways of powering his TARDIS. Besides being written by RTD, and being very simple, it also fits everything from the classic series, the TV movie, the new series, and both novel series (except for the inconsistency that was already there between TDA and TIoT in the classic series). | |||
All of the other explanations people are coming up with here are more complicated, and harder to fit into what we've seen on TV (even ignoring the novels and RTD's behind-the-scenes writing). For example, if there's a separate real mini-Eye rather than a link, whether it's in all TARDISes or only in the Doctor's TARDIS, then why did the destruction of Gallifrey mean the Doctor now has to power up from time rifts? --[[Special:Contributions/173.228.85.35|173.228.85.35]] 20:41, August 21, 2011 (UTC) | |||
