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The fact that they eye was considered a myth in the classic series makes it more complicated than that though. It workds though if we assume that the eye in the TARDIS is a link to the eye on Gallifrey, and theat link exits in all Type 40s and earlier models, but more modern TARDISes have a more efficient power source. If the Doctor had stolen a newer TARDIS he wouldn't have to power up from rifts, but because he has an old type 40 and the eye on Gallifrey is destroyed, he now has to power up oon rifts. Of course, since RTD now claims that when the Doctor sealed the cracks he also sealed the rifts, that leaves the question as to how he is powering it up now.[[User:Icecreamdif|Icecreamdif]] 00:55, August 22, 2011 (UTC) | The fact that they eye was considered a myth in the classic series makes it more complicated than that though. It workds though if we assume that the eye in the TARDIS is a link to the eye on Gallifrey, and theat link exits in all Type 40s and earlier models, but more modern TARDISes have a more efficient power source. If the Doctor had stolen a newer TARDIS he wouldn't have to power up from rifts, but because he has an old type 40 and the eye on Gallifrey is destroyed, he now has to power up oon rifts. Of course, since RTD now claims that when the Doctor sealed the cracks he also sealed the rifts, that leaves the question as to how he is powering it up now.[[User:Icecreamdif|Icecreamdif]] 00:55, August 22, 2011 (UTC) | ||
: Yes, you've just restated the inconsistency that already exists between TDA and TIoT in the classic series. And assuming that type 57s use a different power source doesn't help at all. The last Type 40s were being decomissioned a few centuries before TDA (when the Doctor stole his), which means they were being maintained until slightly before that, which means probably half the TARDIS technicians on Gallifrey had worked on one in their lifetime, which means nobody would think it was a myth. | |||
: The only way you can reconcile that in-universe is to assume that they knew it was a link some power source, they just had no idea that power source was the legendary Eye of Harmony. | |||
: PS, I already brought up the issue with the rifts being closed earlier on this page, but I think it's a separate issue, so if you want to talk about that, let's start another article. --[[Special:Contributions/173.228.85.35|173.228.85.35]] 06:39, August 22, 2011 (UTC) | |||
Where in ''The Deadly Assassin'' did they say that the Type 40s were only decmomissioned a few centuries ago? I was looking through the episode, and I found plenty of references to them being decommisioned, but no reference to how long ago this occurred. Baed on Goth's reaction to seeing the TARDIS ("extraordinary to think that an old type 40 is still operational," and "so this is an old type 40," it would seem that the type 40s must have been retired for quite some time. The ''Doctor's Wife'' also conifrms this, when the TARDIS claims to have already been a museum piece when the Doctor was young. Since a few centuries are nothing to the Time Lords, I would thinkk that the type 400s must have been decommissioned more than a few centuries ago.[[User:Icecreamdif|Icecreamdif]] 20:41, August 22, 2011 (UTC) | Where in ''The Deadly Assassin'' did they say that the Type 40s were only decmomissioned a few centuries ago? I was looking through the episode, and I found plenty of references to them being decommisioned, but no reference to how long ago this occurred. Baed on Goth's reaction to seeing the TARDIS ("extraordinary to think that an old type 40 is still operational," and "so this is an old type 40," it would seem that the type 40s must have been retired for quite some time. The ''Doctor's Wife'' also conifrms this, when the TARDIS claims to have already been a museum piece when the Doctor was young. Since a few centuries are nothing to the Time Lords, I would thinkk that the type 400s must have been decommissioned more than a few centuries ago.[[User:Icecreamdif|Icecreamdif]] 20:41, August 22, 2011 (UTC) | ||
TDA doesn't say that Type 40s were only decommissioned a few centuries ago. A few centuries before TDA is when the First Doctor stole the TARDIS; that much is (I hope) beyond question. What TDA _does_ establish is that he stole it from the government's stockpile of TARDISes, which implies that it hadn't been decommissioned for too long, and that living Time Lords must still know how it works. (I'll ignore the novels here, which give a much firmer chronology, because it isn't important anyway.) | |||
In fact, even without any of that, we know that Time Lords must still know how Type 40s work. For just one example, how could Maxil (who was not a historian of technology, or a super-genius like the Doctor or the Master, but just an ordinary chancellery guard) disconnect the Heart of the TARDIS from its power source and remove it unless the Time Lords knew what that power source was? | |||
And anyway, if you believe that Type 40s go all the way to the time of Rassilon (and the Other), so they're too ancient for anyone alive to understand, you have to assume that they went through 40 types in the first few centuries, then only 17 more types in the next 6000 years (because Type 57s were current the last time the Doctor visited Gallifrey before ''Warriors of the Deep''). Does that really seem plausible? Someone brought up the Model T earlier; Ford puts out more new models per year today than they put out per decade 100 years ago. --[[Special:Contributions/173.228.85.35|173.228.85.35]] 06:41, August 23, 2011 (UTC) | |||
