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: As for Icecreamdif's idea that Moffat hadn't mapped out the whole backstory from the beginning, I definitely agree with that. That's how all episodic writers work. Moffat's even talked about the fact that one of the strengths of Doctor Who is that, because it largely recycles itself every few years, you can paint in more interesting stories without having to worry about painting yourself into a corner. So, he keeps inventing new elements to the River story, and he'll keep doing so until he reaches a point where anything worth writing would contradict the established story, at which point he'll just stop using her. --[[Special:Contributions/173.228.85.35|173.228.85.35]] 18:21, September 2, 2011 (UTC) | : As for Icecreamdif's idea that Moffat hadn't mapped out the whole backstory from the beginning, I definitely agree with that. That's how all episodic writers work. Moffat's even talked about the fact that one of the strengths of Doctor Who is that, because it largely recycles itself every few years, you can paint in more interesting stories without having to worry about painting yourself into a corner. So, he keeps inventing new elements to the River story, and he'll keep doing so until he reaches a point where anything worth writing would contradict the established story, at which point he'll just stop using her. --[[Special:Contributions/173.228.85.35|173.228.85.35]] 18:21, September 2, 2011 (UTC) | ||
Yeah, but these days Doctor Who isn't quite episodic, is it. It isn't like Torchwood where the entire season is esentially one story, but it is still one story told over several episodes. I think that the River Song arc would have been stronger if he had mapped out at least a general idea of what he wanted to do with the character. Obviously I'm not saying that when he was writing ''Silence in the Library '' he should have been thinking "OK, so in 2011 I'll do an episode where her previous incarnation goes to Berlin, regenerates, and tries to kill the Doctor," but when he realized that he would be able to do an entire story arc involving the characte he could have planned out some of the major plot twists such as River being a childhood friend of her parents. I would imagine that if Moffat were to rewrite ''The Eleventh Hour'' knoinwing about the plot twists from ''Let's Kill Hitler'' that he would have given Mels a cameo. [[User:Icecreamdif|Icecreamdif]] 19:30, September 2, 2011 (UTC) | Yeah, but these days Doctor Who isn't quite episodic, is it. It isn't like Torchwood where the entire season is esentially one story, but it is still one story told over several episodes. I think that the River Song arc would have been stronger if he had mapped out at least a general idea of what he wanted to do with the character. Obviously I'm not saying that when he was writing ''Silence in the Library ''he should have been thinking "OK, so in 2011 I'll do an episode where her previous incarnation goes to Berlin, regenerates, and tries to kill the Doctor," but when he realized that he would be able to do an entire story arc involving the characte he could have planned out some of the major plot twists such as River being a childhood friend of her parents. I would imagine that if Moffat were to rewrite ''The Eleventh Hour'' knoinwing about the plot twists from ''Let's Kill Hitler'' that he would have given Mels a cameo. [[User:Icecreamdif|Icecreamdif]] 19:30, September 2, 2011 (UTC) | ||
:That would have just been stupid on Moffat's part. The Eleventh Hour: the Doctor is signalling the Atraxi with his screwdriver. Mels is seen walking by. Suddenly, she turns around and shoots the Doctor in the head. The Doctor dies before he can regenerate, and the Atraxi blow up the earth. ...Mels could never have appeared before now because 1) she was probably in jail, or 2) she would have killed or tried to kill the Doctor. --[[User:Bold Clone|<span style="color:darkblue">'''Bold'''</span>]] [[User Talk:Bold Clone|<span style="color:gold">'''Clone'''</span>]] 20:19, September 2, 2011 (UTC) | :That would have just been stupid on Moffat's part. The Eleventh Hour: the Doctor is signalling the Atraxi with his screwdriver. Mels is seen walking by. Suddenly, she turns around and shoots the Doctor in the head. The Doctor dies before he can regenerate, and the Atraxi blow up the earth. ...Mels could never have appeared before now because 1) she was probably in jail, or 2) she would have killed or tried to kill the Doctor. --[[User:Bold Clone|<span style="color:darkblue">'''Bold'''</span>]] [[User Talk:Bold Clone|<span style="color:gold">'''Clone'''</span>]] 20:19, September 2, 2011 (UTC) | ||
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Additional thought: Keeping Mels from meeting the Doctor without alerting the audience might have worked if a (seemingly) comedic point had been made of this "Doctor-obsessed" friend wanting to meet him but somehow always just missing him. The character would then have seemed to be there for the purpose of providing a running joke. Later, when we found out who she really was, it could have been revealed that she was, in fact, deliberately avoiding him but disguising the fact. --[[Special:Contributions/2.101.50.177|2.101.50.177]] 00:17, September 6, 2011 (UTC) | Additional thought: Keeping Mels from meeting the Doctor without alerting the audience might have worked if a (seemingly) comedic point had been made of this "Doctor-obsessed" friend wanting to meet him but somehow always just missing him. The character would then have seemed to be there for the purpose of providing a running joke. Later, when we found out who she really was, it could have been revealed that she was, in fact, deliberately avoiding him but disguising the fact. --[[Special:Contributions/2.101.50.177|2.101.50.177]] 00:17, September 6, 2011 (UTC) | ||
Yeah, that would have definetly worked. Prolonging the interval between her meeting the Doctor could have worked if done right, but the plot would have had to be more complicated. She wouldn't have been able to kill him with just the lipstick, but they'd have to come up with something along the lines of she needs to gain more information on him first, or something like that. Just introducing her in ''The Eleventh Hour'' would have been much better though. Alternatively, they could have done the same kind of thing as with Turlough, where she keeps trying to kill him but changing her mind or missing the opportunity, though I'm not sure if they could have teally made that work.[[User:Icecreamdif|Icecreamdif]] 02:03, September 6, 2011 (UTC) | |||
