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:What you have to recognise not all interference in a personal timeline is the same, you have to look at it in context. First I'm going to pull up a classic series example: In [[Mawdryn Undead]] two [[Alistair Gordon Lethbridge-Stewart|Brigadier's]] met each other and gave off the same energy that the sonic screwdriver gave off when it touched itself in The Big Bang. This is due to the [[Blinovitch Limitation Effect]] and in both cases despite two selves from the same timeline meeting the timeline looped around, eg. the meeting didn't cancel out the future because that future version used to be the past version that meet itself. On numerous cases the Doctor has came into contact with himself, why it hasn't effected him has never been explained but I would guess it has something to do with the fact he's a time lord. And on [[Father's Day]], Rose changed the timeline and caused a grandfather paradox as opposed to an ontological paradox as mentioned with the Brigadier, the Doctor and the sonic screwdiver. The vastly different nature of the paradox allowed the [[Reaper]]s in; despite to the fact that history was being re-written around them the baby Rose was still the same Rose as adult Rose which caused the Blinovitch Limitation Effect however due to the Reaper's presence the energy was syphoned off to allow another one to get through. And as for kid Amy and adult Amy touching in The Big Bang, they were two different Amy's from two different time lines one from where the universe existed and one from a collapsing universe. Like I said at the beginning you have to take into account the circumstances when it happens. [[User:The Light6|The Light6]] 13:04, September 17, 2011 (UTC) | :What you have to recognise not all interference in a personal timeline is the same, you have to look at it in context. First I'm going to pull up a classic series example: In [[Mawdryn Undead]] two [[Alistair Gordon Lethbridge-Stewart|Brigadier's]] met each other and gave off the same energy that the sonic screwdriver gave off when it touched itself in The Big Bang. This is due to the [[Blinovitch Limitation Effect]] and in both cases despite two selves from the same timeline meeting the timeline looped around, eg. the meeting didn't cancel out the future because that future version used to be the past version that meet itself. On numerous cases the Doctor has came into contact with himself, why it hasn't effected him has never been explained but I would guess it has something to do with the fact he's a time lord. And on [[Father's Day]], Rose changed the timeline and caused a grandfather paradox as opposed to an ontological paradox as mentioned with the Brigadier, the Doctor and the sonic screwdiver. The vastly different nature of the paradox allowed the [[Reaper]]s in; despite to the fact that history was being re-written around them the baby Rose was still the same Rose as adult Rose which caused the Blinovitch Limitation Effect however due to the Reaper's presence the energy was syphoned off to allow another one to get through. And as for kid Amy and adult Amy touching in The Big Bang, they were two different Amy's from two different time lines one from where the universe existed and one from a collapsing universe. Like I said at the beginning you have to take into account the circumstances when it happens. [[User:The Light6|The Light6]] 13:04, September 17, 2011 (UTC) | ||
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<p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt">I agree with the point about a collapsing universe, but the flaw in that logic is the sonic screwdriver causing the <span lang="EN" style="mso-ansi-language: EN">[http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Blinovitch_Limitation_Effect <u>Blinovitch Limitation Effect</u>] after the universe collapse.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> | <p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt">I agree with the point about a collapsing universe, but the flaw in that logic is the sonic screwdriver causing the <span lang="EN" style="mso-ansi-language: EN">[http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Blinovitch_Limitation_Effect <u>Blinovitch Limitation Effect</u>] after the universe collapse.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>If the sonics caused the effect, then the Amys should have as well.</span></p> | ||
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<p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt">However, in the Big Bang when Amy touches her younger self she did so standing in the light of the Pandorica which may have limited the effects.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> | <p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt">However, in the Big Bang when Amy touches her younger self she did so standing in the light of the Pandorica which may have limited the effects.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>I cannot recall if they touch again in the episode, but if they do I believe the effect is more like static electricity. Object of point A in the time line comes into contact with the same object from point B form its timeline.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Temporal difference (much like voltage is an electrical potential difference) is discharged and must be built up again before it can be discharged again.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Object from A and from B are moving at the same “speed” through Time and therefore do not create a temporal difference until one of the two time-travels to a point where they have different potentials.</p> | ||
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<p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt">As for the Doctor and the same effect, I believe that every time that has happened; it has been between two different incarnations of the Doctor (please post if this is otherwise because I am very interested in these situations).<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> | <p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt">As for the Doctor and the same effect, I believe that every time that has happened; it has been between two different incarnations of the Doctor (please post if this is otherwise because I am very interested in these situations).<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>In essence the physical properties of the two are different enough to perhaps eliminate the effect.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>If the two Doctors of the same incarnation, but different points in time, were to come into contact, this effect may be witnessed.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>That is unless Time Lords are indeed immune as mentioned before.[[User:MasterIII|MasterIII]] 06:03, September 19, 2011 (UTC)</p> | ||
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<p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt">Nope, in The Big Bang/Pandorica Opens, the Doctor uses the Vortex Manipulator to transport himself a few minutes back in time after being shot by the Stone Dalek. His younger self, still in the eleventh incarnation, however, props him up, then hugs him as he whispers something into his ear. It's a major plot point of the episode, and it makes no sense to me, seeing how the <span lang="EN" style="mso-ansi-language: EN">[http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Blinovitch_Limitation_Effect <u>Blinovitch Limitation Effect</u>] is shown to still exist mere minutes before, when the Doc touches the screwdrivers. </span>[[Special:Contributions/110.175.4.178|110.175.4.178]] 07:05, September 19, 2011 (UTC)</p> | |||
