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*It appears that Jenny regenerates as a substance similar to the vortex energy or the terraforming gas escapes from her mouth. However her body does not change. | *It appears that Jenny regenerates as a substance similar to the vortex energy or the terraforming gas escapes from her mouth. However her body does not change. | ||
::She did not actually regenerate. The Doctor regrew his hand in ''[[The Christmas Invasion]]'', as a Time Lord has great capacity for self-repair shortly after a full regeneration. It is more likely Jenny internally healed herself as she was probably within the first fifteen hours of her life. Alternatively, she may have been able to restart herself similar to what the Doctor did in The Shakespeare Code. | ::She did not actually regenerate. The Doctor regrew his hand in ''[[The Christmas Invasion]]'', as a Time Lord has great capacity for self-repair shortly after a full regeneration. It is more likely Jenny internally healed herself as she was probably within the first fifteen hours of her life. Alternatively, she may have been able to restart herself similar to what the Doctor did in The Shakespeare Code. | ||
::The implication is that the terraform gas healed her. | ::The implication is that the terraform gas healed her. | ||
:::No, the scene was deliberately designed in such a way that it could have been either the gas or her regeneration energy. RTD talked about the fact that they shot her revival to look somewhat like a regeneration but not identical, for exactly this reason. | |||
*During one scene in the tunnels of Messaline, the UNIT logo can be seen in the background. | *During one scene in the tunnels of Messaline, the UNIT logo can be seen in the background. | ||
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*Four apparent facts cannot all be true at once: (a) the war has only been going on for seven days; (b) General Cobb knows about The Source and its purpose only by hearsay passed on through the generations; (c) General Cobb is in his late forties or his fifties; and (d) offspring produced by the machine emerge with the bodies and personalities of human beings in their early twenties. If Cobb is as old as he looks, he ought to have been a member of the original landing party, in which case he would know what the Source really is. | *Four apparent facts cannot all be true at once: (a) the war has only been going on for seven days; (b) General Cobb knows about The Source and its purpose only by hearsay passed on through the generations; (c) General Cobb is in his late forties or his fifties; and (d) offspring produced by the machine emerge with the bodies and personalities of human beings in their early twenties. If Cobb is as old as he looks, he ought to have been a member of the original landing party, in which case he would know what the Source really is. | ||
::Cobb was not in his forties or fifties. He was created by the machine to be a general and thus "born old". As to the apparent discrepancy in the first two, the Doctor explains at the end of the episode that both can be true because the war burns through several generations in a day. | ::Cobb was not in his forties or fifties. He was created by the machine to be a general and thus "born old". As to the apparent discrepancy in the first two, the Doctor explains at the end of the episode that both can be true because the war burns through several generations in a day. | ||
::In other words, it's (d). Privates emerge with 25-year-old bodies, generals emerge with 45-year-old bodies. | |||
*If the war had only been fought for seven days that implied that no soldiers from the human side have survived past seven days otherwise they would know what happened. This is implausible. | *If the war had only been fought for seven days that implied that no soldiers from the human side have survived past seven days otherwise they would know what happened. This is implausible. | ||
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*When Donna, Jenny and the Doctor are put in the cell no one searches them. This seems a major oversight. In addition to this the guard is standing right outside the door yet fails to hear the sonic screwdriver or the Doctor talking on his mobile phone. | *When Donna, Jenny and the Doctor are put in the cell no one searches them. This seems a major oversight. In addition to this the guard is standing right outside the door yet fails to hear the sonic screwdriver or the Doctor talking on his mobile phone. | ||
::A very bad guard. But he does believe that they are pacifists and thus are no threat and have no weapons. The conversation on the phone was traced to The Hath as seen in one of the cut scenes | ::A very bad guard. But he does believe that they are pacifists and thus are no threat and have no weapons. | ||
::The conversation on the phone was traced to The Hath as seen in one of the cut scenes | |||
*Near the end of the episode, a softbox light can be seen inside the TARDIS, lighting the set. | *Near the end of the episode, a softbox light can be seen inside the TARDIS, lighting the set. | ||
::Unless you believe this was intentionally meant to represent a softbox light being inside the TARDIS, this is clearly a production error, not a plot discontinuity. | |||
*Immediately after Jenny was 'progenated', the soldiers ignore the Doctor, Martha and Donna - and don't bother cloning them. It's as if they know automatically that the Doctor is the only one who should be cloned. It would make more sense if the Doctor was cloned and as Jenny stepped out, the band of attacking Hath attacked immediately. | *Immediately after Jenny was 'progenated', the soldiers ignore the Doctor, Martha and Donna - and don't bother cloning them. It's as if they know automatically that the Doctor is the only one who should be cloned. It would make more sense if the Doctor was cloned and as Jenny stepped out, the band of attacking Hath attacked immediately. | ||
::They were preparing for an attack just before the Hath attacked, suggesting that they knew an attack was coming and had no time to process Donna or Martha. Moreover Cline appeared to prompt Jenny to see if she knew what she was doing just before the attack. All these factors probably distracted them from the processing of Donna and Martha. | ::They were preparing for an attack just before the Hath attacked, suggesting that they knew an attack was coming and had no time to process Donna or Martha. Moreover Cline appeared to prompt Jenny to see if she knew what she was doing just before the attack. All these factors probably distracted them from the processing of Donna and Martha. | ||
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*The Doctor has previously said that he can feel in his mind whether other Time Lords exist still, so why doesn't he feel Jenny still being alive? She is a Time Lord, and is very closely related to the Doctor. | *The Doctor has previously said that he can feel in his mind whether other Time Lords exist still, so why doesn't he feel Jenny still being alive? She is a Time Lord, and is very closely related to the Doctor. | ||
::She is not a Time Lord, as is stated explicitly. She is physically based on his DNA, but does not have Time Lord training nor all of the inherent mental connections. | ::She is not a Time Lord, as is stated explicitly. She is physically based on his DNA, but does not have Time Lord training nor all of the inherent mental connections. | ||
::Also, he's been wrong about this in other cases. In fact, at this point, the question is more why someone as intelligent and self-aware as the Doctor seems to believe he has this ability that he clearly doesn't. | |||
*Even though it is just a small space shuttle Jenny seems surprisingly confident that she can travel the entire Universe with it. | *Even though it is just a small space shuttle Jenny seems surprisingly confident that she can travel the entire Universe with it. | ||
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::By showing a young Master with the appearance of a child in [[The Sound of Drums]], the current production team may have shown that they do not consider the Looms to exist in official continuity, at least not exactly as described in novels such as [[NA]]: [[Lungbarrow]]. In other words, the implication is that Time Lords reproduce sexually and always have. | ::By showing a young Master with the appearance of a child in [[The Sound of Drums]], the current production team may have shown that they do not consider the Looms to exist in official continuity, at least not exactly as described in novels such as [[NA]]: [[Lungbarrow]]. In other words, the implication is that Time Lords reproduce sexually and always have. | ||
::Even if Lungbarrow were canonical, "natural" would mean being loomed out of the genetic pattern of a House, not cloned from the DNA of a single person, and it would mean only producing a new cousin under specific circumstances, not creating them willy-nilly. So, his statement would still make sense. | ::Even if Lungbarrow were canonical, "natural" would mean being loomed out of the genetic pattern of a House, not cloned from the DNA of a single person, and it would mean only producing a new cousin under specific circumstances, not creating them willy-nilly. So, his statement would still make sense. | ||
::Also, the EDAs and post-EDA BFAs pretty clearly indicate that, even in the wider continuity that includes the novels, the Doctor was _not_ loomed. For that matter, even in ''Lungbarrow'', the Doctor was implied to be the reincarnation of the Other, who was born as Leela and Andred's child, not a normal product of the looms. | |||
* The Doctor has killed several times before, why does he disapprove of Jenny's killing of enemies? | * The Doctor has killed several times before, why does he disapprove of Jenny's killing of enemies? | ||
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*If, as stated, the war goes through many generations a day, how do all of the soldiers recognise night, treat it as a fact of life, and Cobb reckon that they will be able to shut down and continue in the morning? | *If, as stated, the war goes through many generations a day, how do all of the soldiers recognise night, treat it as a fact of life, and Cobb reckon that they will be able to shut down and continue in the morning? | ||
::All the soldiers are born with a complete military training as well as a militaristic mindset. It's hardly that much of a stretch they were born with an understanding of night, and an appropriate mindset. | ::All the soldiers are born with a complete military training as well as a militaristic mindset. It's hardly that much of a stretch they were born with an understanding of night, and an appropriate mindset. | ||
* General Cobb seems rather calm in a life or death matter when The Doctor points a gun at him. | * General Cobb seems rather calm in a life or death matter when The Doctor points a gun at him. | ||
::He's an experienced soldier, he's likely faced death many times. | ::He's an experienced soldier, he's likely faced death many times. | ||
::Or at least he's been generated as a pre-experienced soldier who thinks he's faced death many times. | |||
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