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We only saw the interior of Amy and Rory's house in ''The Impossible Astronaut'', plus a brief glimpse (through the front door) of the other side of the street. However, in ''The God Complex'', not only does Amy jokingly ask if it's a real house but also the Doctor's reply is "real house, real door keys," and he gives Amy the keys. If it had been the same house, Amy and Rory would already have had the keys. Amy's joking comments would also have been phrased differently: instead of "a real house", she'd have said something like "really our house". Additionally, Rory says, "The car, too." In the context, that "too" can only mean "as well as the house". It's pretty clear from the dialogue that both house and car are gifts. --[[Special:Contributions/78.146.179.196|78.146.179.196]] 21:28, September 19, 2011 (UTC) | We only saw the interior of Amy and Rory's house in ''The Impossible Astronaut'', plus a brief glimpse (through the front door) of the other side of the street. However, in ''The God Complex'', not only does Amy jokingly ask if it's a real house but also the Doctor's reply is "real house, real door keys," and he gives Amy the keys. If it had been the same house, Amy and Rory would already have had the keys. Amy's joking comments would also have been phrased differently: instead of "a real house", she'd have said something like "really our house". Additionally, Rory says, "The car, too." In the context, that "too" can only mean "as well as the house". It's pretty clear from the dialogue that both house and car are gifts. --[[Special:Contributions/78.146.179.196|78.146.179.196]] 21:28, September 19, 2011 (UTC) | ||
<p style="margin-left: 40px; ">78: Watching it again, you're right, the house is clearly a gift.</p> | |||
<p style="margin-left: 40px; ">Icecreamdif: In ''The Almost People'', at 42:30: "I needed to see the Flesh in its early days. That's why I scanned it, that's why we were there in the first place. I was going to drop you for fish and chips first, but things happened, and there was stuff and shenanigans… I needed enough information to block the signal from the Flesh." So you're wrong, that _is_ why they went to the factory; the Doctor says so explicitly. And yet, he clearly told them earlier that it was an accident. There's no other explanation for this but that he was deliberately misleading them. For more evidence, go to 06:23 in ''The Rebel Flesh'': "I think we're here. This is it." "Doctor, what are you talking about? We've never been here before." "We came here by accident." "Accident? (beat) Yes, I know, accident." He's clearly being defensive here; he's already forgotten that he'd told them, a couple minutes earlier, that it was an accident, because it wasn't actually an accident. And then, at 06:45, he knew that "almost people" were coming. At 08:30, he deliberately asks to see the Flesh, walks right up to it, waits until no one is looking at him, and sonics it. Then, after he says "It's like it was scanning me", what does he do? He puts his hand on it. On first viewing, it seemed like he was just doing the usual Doctor reckless thing, but once we know he was here to get information on the Flesh, to confirm that Amy was a Ganger, and to find out how to disrupt the signal, it's obvious it was premeditated, and yet he was definitely pretending that it wasn't.</p> | |||
<p style="margin-left: 40px; ">The only question is whether that's the only thing he was misleading them about. Did he intend to come there alone, but accidentally bring Amy and Rory, or was that the plan all along? First, why be sneaky about everything if the only plan was to scan the Flesh and find out how to block the signal? Nobody would have thought there was anything wrong with that. But else could he be planning? If he already knew about his death at Lake Silencio, the plan could just be to get a Ganger of himself made. But he only learned about his death from Amy, later in the story. The only other plan I can think of is the one he tells Amy, in ''The Almost People'', at 38:10: "I'm the original Doctor. We had to know if we were treated the same. It was important, vital, we learn about the Flesh, and we could only do that through your eyes." He's telling her flat out that he's been deceiving her through the entire adventure in order to learn how she'd react to the Flesh, because it was vital information.</p> | |||
<p style="margin-left: 40px; ">And now, go back to ''The Rebel Flesh'', at 03:54, during the "Who wants fish and chips?" bit. He switches the scanner from the pregnancy scan to something else that he finds interesting but doesn't mention to Amy and Rory. Then he offers to drop them off, but he's acting very weird. Amy notices it and calls him on it. Finally, she gives him a dubious, "What?", and he just stands there waiting for a few seconds until the alarm sounds. Now we finally see what was on the scanner: a solar storm warning. Maybe there was something else on the scanner between the pregnancy scan and the solar storm warning, but if so, what? And if it really was an accident, why did he forget less than 3 minutes later?</p> | |||
<p style="margin-left: 40px; ">And that ties into the overall story arc about the Doctor's guilt over what he's doing to his companions, which we didn't notice until the second half of the season. --[[Special:Contributions/70.36.140.19|70.36.140.19]] 04:34, September 20, 2011 (UTC)</p> | |||
