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I agree, it looks much, '''much''' cleaner as production errors. [[User:Delton Menace|Delton Menace]] 00:10, March 25, 2010 (UTC) | I agree, it looks much, '''much''' cleaner as production errors. [[User:Delton Menace|Delton Menace]] 00:10, March 25, 2010 (UTC) | ||
::Alrighty, I've changed the [[Tardis:Format for Television Story Entries]] guide from Discontinuity to Production errors and re-written the information for it. Any discussion about discontinuity of the story can take place in [[ | ::Alrighty, I've changed the [[Tardis:Format for Television Story Entries]] guide from Discontinuity to Production errors and re-written the information for it. Any discussion about discontinuity of the story can take place in [[Howling:The Howling]] (as noted on the Format for TV stories page) as the article's talk page should be used to discuss the editing of the article rather than debate about elements of the story. I've begun working through the stories editing out the discontinuity starting with ''[[An Unearthly Child]]''. --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] 07:48, March 25, 2010 (UTC) | ||
:::Yeah, much cleaner, but still I think people aren't necessarily going to read the MOS to know that production errors '''don't''' include continuity (canon) errors. It is a "(pre-)production error", for instance, that the Doctor was conceptualized as a human named Dr. Who in the films; or that ''Genesis of the Daleks'' appears to conceptualize Daleks in a very different way to ''The Daleks''; or that the mixture of human and Time Lord DNA is seen as problematic in "Journey's End", but not in the TVM. But none of that is really what we're talking about. I don't think the average user would see the heading "Recording errors" and think to put stuff like that there. Besides which, there is the messy issue of the fact that on modern DW there's a '''very''' clear line between production, pre-production, and post-production. A "production error" is technically '''only''' something that occurs in principal photography and pick-ups. Your earlier editing example is not a production error, but a post-production one. Likewise, the massive errors in ''The Waters of Mars'' screen graphics are post-production errors. I still think recording error works, because it's immediately apparent we're NOT talking about the script, and because ultimately the final cut is recorded onto a master. Which means the sum total of all behind-the-scenes errors is ultimately a recording error. These things wouldn't be errors if that final record button didn't commit them to the master. '''[[User:CzechOut|<span style="background:blue;color:white">Czech</span><span style="background:red;color:white">Out</span>]]''' [[User talk:CzechOut|☎]] | [[Special:Contributions/CzechOut|<font size="+1">✍</font>]] 15:48, March 25, 2010 (UTC) | :::Yeah, much cleaner, but still I think people aren't necessarily going to read the MOS to know that production errors '''don't''' include continuity (canon) errors. It is a "(pre-)production error", for instance, that the Doctor was conceptualized as a human named Dr. Who in the films; or that ''Genesis of the Daleks'' appears to conceptualize Daleks in a very different way to ''The Daleks''; or that the mixture of human and Time Lord DNA is seen as problematic in "Journey's End", but not in the TVM. But none of that is really what we're talking about. I don't think the average user would see the heading "Recording errors" and think to put stuff like that there. Besides which, there is the messy issue of the fact that on modern DW there's a '''very''' clear line between production, pre-production, and post-production. A "production error" is technically '''only''' something that occurs in principal photography and pick-ups. Your earlier editing example is not a production error, but a post-production one. Likewise, the massive errors in ''The Waters of Mars'' screen graphics are post-production errors. I still think recording error works, because it's immediately apparent we're NOT talking about the script, and because ultimately the final cut is recorded onto a master. Which means the sum total of all behind-the-scenes errors is ultimately a recording error. These things wouldn't be errors if that final record button didn't commit them to the master. '''[[User:CzechOut|<span style="background:blue;color:white">Czech</span><span style="background:red;color:white">Out</span>]]''' [[User talk:CzechOut|☎]] | [[Special:Contributions/CzechOut|<font size="+1">✍</font>]] 15:48, March 25, 2010 (UTC) | ||
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::You have (unsigned user) answered your own question. They were unanswered questions. Which aren't production errors. They aren't even discontinuity. | ::You have (unsigned user) answered your own question. They were unanswered questions. Which aren't production errors. They aren't even discontinuity. | ||
::It is the very nature of a wiki that it grows, develops information and edits down the slack. This is an encyclopaedia, it's about bringing forth information. We're seeking to distill the information that was there into usable information. The question response format wasn't providing any information in the encyclopaedic sense. | ::It is the very nature of a wiki that it grows, develops information and edits down the slack. This is an encyclopaedia, it's about bringing forth information. We're seeking to distill the information that was there into usable information. The question response format wasn't providing any information in the encyclopaedic sense. | ||
::[[ | ::[[Howling:The Howling]] is the place for people to ask and answer questions relating to continuity and plot holes (it's the reason it was created in fact). --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] 01:57, March 26, 2010 (UTC) | ||
No I'm not willing to except that, we can't have forms and discussion pages for all the errors, it would over crowd the site and it would really just be a waste of space, as there is no need for that many, and they are errors, to return to my original statement if people are going to go to the trouble of adding them then what gives you the right to delete them? And besides that doesn't ocount for the fact you have deleted the answers and made the proplems unanswered. And as I said you will see I am prepared for this, and my action starts now, if you want to talk about this, so we can come to a reasonable agreement then say, I am a reasonable person, so if you want to talk then say, but untill then, well your see... | No I'm not willing to except that, we can't have forms and discussion pages for all the errors, it would over crowd the site and it would really just be a waste of space, as there is no need for that many, and they are errors, to return to my original statement if people are going to go to the trouble of adding them then what gives you the right to delete them? And besides that doesn't ocount for the fact you have deleted the answers and made the proplems unanswered. And as I said you will see I am prepared for this, and my action starts now, if you want to talk about this, so we can come to a reasonable agreement then say, I am a reasonable person, so if you want to talk then say, but untill then, well your see... | ||
:::If you are a 'reasonable person' then you can accept that this change from Discontinuity section to Production Errors is what the admins have decided to do. Mini-mitch 15:52, March 26, 2010 (UTC) | :::If you are a 'reasonable person' then you can accept that this change from Discontinuity section to Production Errors is what the admins have decided to do. Mini-mitch 15:52, March 26, 2010 (UTC) | ||
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'''Keep Production Errors, move Discontinuity to NEW SECTION IN FORUM''' | '''Keep Production Errors, move Discontinuity to NEW SECTION IN FORUM''' | ||
*[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] 16:44, March 26, 2010 (UTC) As we've already discussed the plot holes/discontinuity is basically just a discussion. So [[ | *[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] 16:44, March 26, 2010 (UTC) As we've already discussed the plot holes/discontinuity is basically just a discussion. So [[Howling:The Howling]] would be a perfect place for it. (As is already stated in [[Tardis:Format for Television Story Entries#Production errors]]. Having a page for discontinuity is what The Howling was created for, it's a forum for people to discuss the continuity. | ||
*'''[[User:CzechOut|<span style="background:blue;color:white">Czech</span><span style="background:red;color:white">Out</span>]]''' [[User talk:CzechOut|☎]] | [[Special:Contributions/CzechOut|<font size="+1">✍</font>]] 22:01, March 26, 2010 (UTC) I've already talked at length about why. Not quite sure why we're having a ''second'' vote. Asked and answered, as far as I can see. Still, see also newer arguments at [[Talk:Discontinuty, plot holes and other errors]]. Brief recap of arguments: we already have a place set up for this stuff. It's called [[ | *'''[[User:CzechOut|<span style="background:blue;color:white">Czech</span><span style="background:red;color:white">Out</span>]]''' [[User talk:CzechOut|☎]] | [[Special:Contributions/CzechOut|<font size="+1">✍</font>]] 22:01, March 26, 2010 (UTC) I've already talked at length about why. Not quite sure why we're having a ''second'' vote. Asked and answered, as far as I can see. Still, see also newer arguments at [[Talk:Discontinuty, plot holes and other errors]]. Brief recap of arguments: we already have a place set up for this stuff. It's called [[Howling:The Howling]]. Perhaps others could clarify why they're so desperate to have this kind of information go in the main article space? | ||
*[[User:Mini-mitch|Mini-mitch]] 16:24, March 26 2010, (UTC) | *[[User:Mini-mitch|Mini-mitch]] 16:24, March 26 2010, (UTC) | ||
**After reader your thoughts and opinions, I now understand that it will be easier to move into '''The Howling''', and now create a new page | **After reader your thoughts and opinions, I now understand that it will be easier to move into '''The Howling''', and now create a new page | ||
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:::This syntax is a shortcut for typing some big long thing out. So if the main page were [[ | :::This syntax is a shortcut for typing some big long thing out. So if the main page were [[Howling:The Howling:Doctor Who Discontinuity by episode]], then [[/An Uunearthly Child]] would stand in for [[Howling:The Howling:Doctor Who Discontinuity by episode/An Unearthly Child]]. | ||
::::I can see why you might want to have it centralized, but it can definitely be centralized on The Howling. The Fora are just a different namespace, or ''folder'', on the wiki. They're not a barren wasteland where the rules of wiki coding fail to apply. You have precisely the same abilities in The Howling as you do elsewhere. '''[[User:CzechOut|<span style="background:blue;color:white">Czech</span><span style="background:red;color:white">Out</span>]]''' [[User talk:CzechOut|☎]] | [[Special:Contributions/CzechOut|<font size="+1">✍</font>]] 22:26, March 26, 2010 (UTC) | ::::I can see why you might want to have it centralized, but it can definitely be centralized on The Howling. The Fora are just a different namespace, or ''folder'', on the wiki. They're not a barren wasteland where the rules of wiki coding fail to apply. You have precisely the same abilities in The Howling as you do elsewhere. '''[[User:CzechOut|<span style="background:blue;color:white">Czech</span><span style="background:red;color:white">Out</span>]]''' [[User talk:CzechOut|☎]] | [[Special:Contributions/CzechOut|<font size="+1">✍</font>]] 22:26, March 26, 2010 (UTC) | ||
