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The other problem with videogames is that, depending on how they're constructed, multiple outcomes can be possible. Thus comes the ugly and thorny issue of ''which'' outcome is canonical. Going back to ''Graske'', we can't say whether the outcome where you lose and "don't have what it takes to be a companion" is the one we should adopt as "canon", or whether it's the "happier" ending. | The other problem with videogames is that, depending on how they're constructed, multiple outcomes can be possible. Thus comes the ugly and thorny issue of ''which'' outcome is canonical. Going back to ''Graske'', we can't say whether the outcome where you lose and "don't have what it takes to be a companion" is the one we should adopt as "canon", or whether it's the "happier" ending. | ||
If you'll note at the canon policy page, the policy on games is still said to be "in flux". We need to really hammer that out before we start incorporating material from videogames into articles. My recommendation would be to hold off citing from these things until we have a clearer notion. What would be a nightmare, I think, is if people started playing these new adventure games, while furiously jotting down notes and filling up the articles on [[Amy Pond]], the [[ | If you'll note at the canon policy page, the policy on games is still said to be "in flux". We need to really hammer that out before we start incorporating material from videogames into articles. My recommendation would be to hold off citing from these things until we have a clearer notion. What would be a nightmare, I think, is if people started playing these new adventure games, while furiously jotting down notes and filling up the articles on [[Amy Pond]], the [[Dalek]]s, and the [[Eleventh Doctor]] — only to find out months from now that in fact the game had a branching architecture and it didn't actually include the same information every time it was played. | ||
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:::''Star Wars'' can't be used as a model for us, because LucasFilm has a ''very'' specific canon policy/hierarchy. They have a team on staff, led by a guy named Leland Chee, that actually works out these details, and they ordain that a ''particular'' outcome is canonical, whereas others are not. They also determine that some things are a part of "game mechanics", and therefore not canonical. See [[starwars:Canon#Canon and games|this article]] for more details. Also, the possession of a canon hierarchy means that things "lower" on the pole can be "overruled" by things higher up. The BBC's canon policy affords us nothing like this. Therefore, we, as a wiki, must come up with our own individual plan. As for your ''Head Games'' theory, well, that's just it: it's '''your''' ''Head Games'' theory. ''We'' don't assume anything. ''You'' do. And that's not having a go at you specifically. That's the generalized "you" of the second person. It's just that there's not a real clear explanation of ''all'' of ''Dalek Attack''{{'}}s possible permutations and so we have to assume things. As someone who ''has'' read it, I think ''Head Games'' is specifically only talking about the version of the game in which Seven and, more arguably, Ace are used. ''Head Games'' is silent upon the game if it were Two and the Brig, for instance. '''[[User:CzechOut|<span style="background:blue;color:white">Czech</span><span style="background:red;color:white">Out</span>]]''' [[User talk:CzechOut|☎]] | [[Special:Contributions/CzechOut|<font size="+1">✍</font>]] 14:35, June 10, 2010 (UTC) | :::''Star Wars'' can't be used as a model for us, because LucasFilm has a ''very'' specific canon policy/hierarchy. They have a team on staff, led by a guy named Leland Chee, that actually works out these details, and they ordain that a ''particular'' outcome is canonical, whereas others are not. They also determine that some things are a part of "game mechanics", and therefore not canonical. See [[starwars:Canon#Canon and games|this article]] for more details. Also, the possession of a canon hierarchy means that things "lower" on the pole can be "overruled" by things higher up. The BBC's canon policy affords us nothing like this. Therefore, we, as a wiki, must come up with our own individual plan. As for your ''Head Games'' theory, well, that's just it: it's '''your''' ''Head Games'' theory. ''We'' don't assume anything. ''You'' do. And that's not having a go at you specifically. That's the generalized "you" of the second person. It's just that there's not a real clear explanation of ''all'' of ''Dalek Attack''{{'}}s possible permutations and so we have to assume things. As someone who ''has'' read it, I think ''Head Games'' is specifically only talking about the version of the game in which Seven and, more arguably, Ace are used. ''Head Games'' is silent upon the game if it were Two and the Brig, for instance. '''[[User:CzechOut|<span style="background:blue;color:white">Czech</span><span style="background:red;color:white">Out</span>]]''' [[User talk:CzechOut|☎]] | [[Special:Contributions/CzechOut|<font size="+1">✍</font>]] 14:35, June 10, 2010 (UTC) | ||
::::Okay, here are my specific questions for ''City of the Daleks''. | ::::Okay, here are my specific questions for ''City of the Daleks''. | ||
::::#Skaro still exists as a place that can be quite normally visited by both TARDISes and Daleks? Really? Surely that contravenes ''everything'' we've been told about the Time War. So Gallifrey coming back in ''The End of Time'' was a Big Damn Deal, but Skaro's been there all along? That makes a nonsense out of ''every'' televised ''Dalek'' story ''ever''. Why on Earth would desperate Dalek survivors worry about Earth when they could go back to Skaro and re-arm themselves. How can we possibly integrate this information into our articles about [[Last Great Time War]], [[ | ::::#Skaro still exists as a place that can be quite normally visited by both TARDISes and Daleks? Really? Surely that contravenes ''everything'' we've been told about the Time War. So Gallifrey coming back in ''The End of Time'' was a Big Damn Deal, but Skaro's been there all along? That makes a nonsense out of ''every'' televised ''Dalek'' story ''ever''. Why on Earth would desperate Dalek survivors worry about Earth when they could go back to Skaro and re-arm themselves. How can we possibly integrate this information into our articles about [[Last Great Time War]], [[Dalek]]s, and others? You can't explain the plot of this story without ''completely'' ripping the fabric of the Time War narrative that has been fundamental to the series since 2005. | ||
::::#The Eye of Time? C'mon, everything the Doctor says about it indicates that it is ''actually'' the [[Eye of Harmony]]. Do we really want to draw such a fundamental part of Time Lord society from a videogame? | ::::#The Eye of Time? C'mon, everything the Doctor says about it indicates that it is ''actually'' the [[Eye of Harmony]]. Do we really want to draw such a fundamental part of Time Lord society from a videogame? | ||
::::#How do we treat the info cards that you occasionally find in the game? Are they facts in the DWU? All that info about Hansom cabs and acid rain — does it exist in the DWU? | ::::#How do we treat the info cards that you occasionally find in the game? Are they facts in the DWU? All that info about Hansom cabs and acid rain — does it exist in the DWU? | ||
