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Instead of my previous idea how about this to clean up the article. We can put the topic on top of the episode information. Kind of like when you leave a message. Do you get what I'm saying?--[[User:The 10th Doctor|The 10th Doctor]] 01:57, 4 December 2007 (UTC) | Instead of my previous idea how about this to clean up the article. We can put the topic on top of the episode information. Kind of like when you leave a message. Do you get what I'm saying?--[[User:The 10th Doctor|The 10th Doctor]] 01:57, 4 December 2007 (UTC) | ||
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I am a fighter I will not stop so go ahead and try to stop me but it won't work. So let's put it this way your attempts to stop me are needless, unwanted, not needed, useless, and if I may add rubibish. Oh yeah I went there. [[User:The Master Chief-117|The Master Chief-117]] 23:01, 1 March 2008 (UTC) | I am a fighter I will not stop so go ahead and try to stop me but it won't work. So let's put it this way your attempts to stop me are needless, unwanted, not needed, useless, and if I may add rubibish. Oh yeah I went there. [[User:The Master Chief-117|The Master Chief-117]] 23:01, 1 March 2008 (UTC) | ||
:Can you please let me know what you are actually asking for here. | :Can you please let me know what you are actually asking for here. And may I suggest no being silly, or you may end up blocked. [[User:Jack's the man|Jack's]] [[User talk:Jack's the man|the]] [[Special:Contributions/Jack's the man|man]] - 14:07, 5 March 2008 (UTC) | ||
Oh come on it's fun to be siily I'm sure you don't have a problem with and please explain what you mean by explain what I mean. [[User:The Master Chief-117|The Master Chief-117]] 19:10, 5 March 2008 (UTC) | Oh come on it's fun to be siily I'm sure you don't have a problem with and please explain what you mean by explain what I mean. [[User:The Master Chief-117|The Master Chief-117]] 19:10, 5 March 2008 (UTC) | ||
:I mean "what is it that you are actually asking"? | :I mean "what is it that you are actually asking"? It's not very clear what your proposal is. [[User:Jack's the man|Jack's]] [[User talk:Jack's the man|the]] [[Special:Contributions/Jack's the man|man]] - 08:56, 6 March 2008 (UTC) | ||
Do you mean about the episode names? And if not can you please put more detail in your question? Because I still don't understand what your asking. [[User:The Master Chief-117|The Master Chief-117]] 00:00, 7 March 2008 (UTC) | Do you mean about the episode names? And if not can you please put more detail in your question? Because I still don't understand what your asking. [[User:The Master Chief-117|The Master Chief-117]] 00:00, 7 March 2008 (UTC) | ||
:I think it's pretty clear. | :I think it's pretty clear. "What are you actually asking for in this topic"? "What are you tryign to change here?" [[User:Jack's the man|Jack's]] [[User talk:Jack's the man|the]] [[Special:Contributions/Jack's the man|man]] - 20:03, 7 March 2008 (UTC) | ||
O.K. now I get your question thanks for explaining it to me and I'm sorry I asked for an explanation so many times. What I'm trying to do is get the episode names on the bottom or put them on a different section instead of right beside the description of the episodes. Does that answer your question? [[User:The Master Chief-117|The Master Chief-117]] 23:51, 8 March 2008 (UTC) | O.K. now I get your question thanks for explaining it to me and I'm sorry I asked for an explanation so many times. What I'm trying to do is get the episode names on the bottom or put them on a different section instead of right beside the description of the episodes. Does that answer your question? [[User:The Master Chief-117|The Master Chief-117]] 23:51, 8 March 2008 (UTC) | ||
:Right, so Instead of "The Doctor batteled x ([[ | :Right, so Instead of "The Doctor batteled x ([[TV]]:story)" - you're suggesting "The Doctor battled X<sup>1</sup>" with a reference section. | ||
:I don't see a problem with that myself - I think that would make the pages less cluttered. | :I don't see a problem with that myself - I think that would make the pages less cluttered. I the line is "this is a reference to story X", then it should be kept as text, but stuff like the other example above is probably better as a reference. [[User:Jack's the man|Jack's]] [[User talk:Jack's the man|the]] [[Special:Contributions/Jack's the man|man]] - 15:26, 9 March 2008 (UTC) | ||
That is a perfect idea!!! It's not what I had in mind but it is a 1,000 times better I love the idea it's wonderful and...there I go rambling on again so let's do it. [[User:The Master Chief-117|The Master Chief-117]] 19:40, 9 March 2008 (UTC) | That is a perfect idea!!! It's not what I had in mind but it is a 1,000 times better I love the idea it's wonderful and...there I go rambling on again so let's do it. [[User:The Master Chief-117|The Master Chief-117]] 19:40, 9 March 2008 (UTC) | ||
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That is what I am saying. I don't really care about making it in-universe right now that's another project for another time right now I would like the pages to be more clean (although in my opinion if we do this to the article it would seem more universe). So what do you say should we do it? I say yes. [[User:The Master Chief-117|The Master Chief-117]] 23:22, 10 March 2008 (UTC) | That is what I am saying. I don't really care about making it in-universe right now that's another project for another time right now I would like the pages to be more clean (although in my opinion if we do this to the article it would seem more universe). So what do you say should we do it? I say yes. [[User:The Master Chief-117|The Master Chief-117]] 23:22, 10 March 2008 (UTC) | ||
:It would make navigating and finding the references more complicated (a lot of needless scrolling). It also makes it much more easy to understand the sources with them right beside it. | :It would make navigating and finding the references more complicated (a lot of needless scrolling). It also makes it much more easy to understand the sources with them right beside it. | ||
:Also as I've previously stated there is also the problem of switching over to the footnote system which is that of logistics, the amount of pages that would need to be altered is mammoth. | :Also as I've previously stated there is also the problem of switching over to the footnote system which is that of logistics, the amount of pages that would need to be altered is mammoth. | ||
:Using the footnote system would also tend to suggest that the pages are more out of universe than within an in-universe structure. As some factual pages should use the footnote system to back up their stated facts with references, by having a definite line between the in-universe pages and the factual pages there is a line of continuity that is easily understandable. --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] 14:13, 11 March 2008 (UTC) | :Using the footnote system would also tend to suggest that the pages are more out of universe than within an in-universe structure. As some factual pages should use the footnote system to back up their stated facts with references, by having a definite line between the in-universe pages and the factual pages there is a line of continuity that is easily understandable. --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] 14:13, 11 March 2008 (UTC) | ||
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:It would also need a lot of organisation. After all, people picking whatever pages they want to change wouldn't be very efficient. And then some people might have ''more'' problems with this proposal. {{:User:Ghelæ/sig}} 07:42, 15 March 2008 (UTC) | :It would also need a lot of organisation. After all, people picking whatever pages they want to change wouldn't be very efficient. And then some people might have ''more'' problems with this proposal. {{:User:Ghelæ/sig}} 07:42, 15 March 2008 (UTC) | ||
::I'm very much against the proposal. As Ghelæ has said it would require a massive organisation, it wouldn't just be a matter of cutting and pasting within the articles every reference would need reference tags placed around them. Additionally most of the help pages would need restructuring and rewriting. The system we have currently works, is easy | ::I'm very much against the proposal. As Ghelæ has said it would require a massive organisation, it wouldn't just be a matter of cutting and pasting within the articles every reference would need reference tags placed around them. Additionally most of the help pages would need restructuring and rewriting. The system we have currently works, is easy to read and has a structure that follows through the whole site (and has an understandable logic for new users). --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] 13:29, 15 March 2008 (UTC) | ||
:::Agreed. The current setup is one of the things that attracted me to here in the first place. My vote is against the proposal as well. --Colleyd 18:47, 15 March 2008 (UTC)Woof. | :::Agreed. The current setup is one of the things that attracted me to here in the first place. My vote is against the proposal as well. --Colleyd 18:47, 15 March 2008 (UTC)Woof. | ||
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If you need organization I'm your man. Come on guys that's why we are here to work as a team. [[User:The Master Chief-117|The Master Chief-117]] 22:22, 15 March 2008 (UTC) | If you need organization I'm your man. Come on guys that's why we are here to work as a team. [[User:The Master Chief-117|The Master Chief-117]] 22:22, 15 March 2008 (UTC) | ||
The current setup works no argument needed.--[[User:Skittles the hog|Skittles the hog]] [[ | The current setup works no argument needed.--[[User:Skittles the hog|Skittles the hog]] [[file:The Master painting.jpg]] 18:33, 16 March 2008 (UTC) | ||
:I don't mind the current system - and it is a lot better than clicking on reference links. | :I don't mind the current system - and it is a lot better than clicking on reference links. I like the suggestion for the change, but I think the current one is better. [[User:Jack's the man|Jack's]] [[User talk:Jack's the man|the]] [[Special:Contributions/Jack's the man|man]] - 12:38, 17 March 2008 (UTC) | ||
But the page's will be shorter, neater, and much better I'll contribute to this cause I mean come on what do we have to lose. [[User:The Master Chief-117|The Master Chief-117]] 22:05, 17 March 2008 (UTC) | |||
:The change in page length would be barely negligible, if anything. As for what there is to lose... | |||
:* Easy access references- With the current system, you can see what the source of the information is immediately. | |||
:*Uniqueness- As I said in previous reply, the fact that I can see the references right along side with the information is one of the things I LIKE about this wiki. It helps make it stand out from every other wiki on the net. | |||
:*Time- Why should we make users click a reference link that will take them to the bottom of a page, only to make them have to click yet another link to go to the information source? That's time better spent actually reading, or contributing to the wiki itself. | |||
:*In Universe Style- Think of the Tardis wiki as you reading the data logs in the Tardis itself. In the current setup, having the references right there with the information is much like having the database tell you "For further information, see this event." It wouldn't make you scroll down to the end of the article. | |||
:So you see, there actually are things that would be lost by switching to the setup you wish to use. --Colleyd 22:35, 17 March 2008 (UTC)Woof. | |||
::Also the pages wouldn't be shorter, you would end up with a long list of references at the base of the page, while the current system it is at the end of sentences etc, making the pages shorter. --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] 05:12, 18 March 2008 (UTC) | |||
Tangerinduel I am not thinking of putting the sources on the the bottom I want them to be like the way there are at the top but when you click on that little box you go to the refrence not going to the bottom of the page to click on another refrence. If you don't get what I am saying just tell me. P.S. I am the same person but with a different name. [[User:The Destroyer|The Destroyer]] 22:59, 23 March 2008 (UTC) | |||
:The referencing system doesn't work like that. If you want it as you described it would need to be in keeping with out-of-universe referencing and therefore at the bottom of the page (like all wikipedia pages). The method you've described can't function within a page. --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] 06:08, 24 March 2008 (UTC) | |||
I think that the key life events part of the article could wor out as a refrence system already. I mean look at it it explains the episode's main plot has the link which will go to the episode page to get more info on the episode I mean it is a perfect refrence system. How about that? [[User:The Destroyer|The Destroyer]] 16:16, 24 March 2008 (UTC) | |||
:No. The key life events doesn't reference and shouldn't reference everything that's already in the article. Also a system has to work throughout the whole wikia, what you're proposing would still leave us with two separate systems. We will be maintaining the system that is currently in place. --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] 06:45, 25 March 2008 (UTC) | |||
I will think of a new idea eventually. In the mean time is there anything you guys can think of to get rid of those annoying episode names? I want to do this because those episode names make the article so cluttered, unorganized, and messy. So if you think of anything please tell I'll do anything to get rid of those episode names. [[User:The Destroyer|The Destroyer]] 15:44, 25 March 2008 (UTC) | |||
