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I never suggested that Craig, Amy, and Rory didn't know about the ghosts. However, given where they were it is likely that to them the ghosts were really more of something that was going on around the world that didn't effect them personally. The fact that they did have shows that were trying to predict where ghosts would appear proves that there must have been at least some kind of vague pattern to their appearances-like that they are more likely to appear in big cities than small towns. There simply weren't enough Cybermen for them to be everywhere. And, of course the Doctor was surprised that Donna didn't know about the Cyber-invasion. The Doctor was right at the center of it, and it was a pretty important part of his recent life. It hadn't even occured to him that some humans might not really know much about it. The fact that people like Rhys actually believed the story about drugs in the water supply suggests that there was little or no video footage of the Cybermen, and what footage there was was erased by UNIT, Torchwood 3, Mr. Smith, or some other entity. Therefore, unless Craig, Amy, and Rory actually saw Cybermen, the news story they just heard would be something like "Drugs in the water supply have caused millions of people to hallucinate seeing a robot attack." Craig would have no reason to believe that the Cybermen were the same robots that people hallucinated about a few years ago. I do agree with Imamadmad that the real-universe Cybermen should have gotten some kind of redesign upon their return so that they weren't identical to the Pete's World ones. I don't remember the Doctor actually saying that the real Cybermen were extinct, but it still doesn't really make sense that they look identical to the Cybusmen. In the classic series, the Cyber-conversion process wasn't exactly like the one shown in ''Closing Time''. If anything, it was more like the one seen in ''Cyberwomen'', but we rarely saw a full conversion on screen in the Classic Series. Anyway, I guess they just didn't have enough money to give the Cybermen a full redesign. It's too bad- in-universe, redesigning the Cybermen would have made more sense than redesigning the Silurians, and it would have made much more sense than redesigning the Daleks in any universe. Actually, after seeing what the current production team did to the Daleks, maybe it's best that they just leave the Cybermen alone, before we get plastic technicolor Cybermen. 82, the stories that focus on the cracks have made it perfectly clear that the cracks don't erase every effect that the erased person has ever had on the universe. The Doctor delivered a whole speech about that to Amy when she was starting to recognize her engagement ring.[[User:Icecreamdif|Icecreamdif]] <sup>[[User talk:Icecreamdif|talk to me]]</sup> 20:30, December 6, 2011 (UTC)
I never suggested that Craig, Amy, and Rory didn't know about the ghosts. However, given where they were it is likely that to them the ghosts were really more of something that was going on around the world that didn't effect them personally. The fact that they did have shows that were trying to predict where ghosts would appear proves that there must have been at least some kind of vague pattern to their appearances-like that they are more likely to appear in big cities than small towns. There simply weren't enough Cybermen for them to be everywhere. And, of course the Doctor was surprised that Donna didn't know about the Cyber-invasion. The Doctor was right at the center of it, and it was a pretty important part of his recent life. It hadn't even occured to him that some humans might not really know much about it. The fact that people like Rhys actually believed the story about drugs in the water supply suggests that there was little or no video footage of the Cybermen, and what footage there was was erased by UNIT, Torchwood 3, Mr. Smith, or some other entity. Therefore, unless Craig, Amy, and Rory actually saw Cybermen, the news story they just heard would be something like "Drugs in the water supply have caused millions of people to hallucinate seeing a robot attack." Craig would have no reason to believe that the Cybermen were the same robots that people hallucinated about a few years ago. I do agree with Imamadmad that the real-universe Cybermen should have gotten some kind of redesign upon their return so that they weren't identical to the Pete's World ones. I don't remember the Doctor actually saying that the real Cybermen were extinct, but it still doesn't really make sense that they look identical to the Cybusmen. In the classic series, the Cyber-conversion process wasn't exactly like the one shown in ''Closing Time''. If anything, it was more like the one seen in ''Cyberwomen'', but we rarely saw a full conversion on screen in the Classic Series. Anyway, I guess they just didn't have enough money to give the Cybermen a full redesign. It's too bad- in-universe, redesigning the Cybermen would have made more sense than redesigning the Silurians, and it would have made much more sense than redesigning the Daleks in any universe. Actually, after seeing what the current production team did to the Daleks, maybe it's best that they just leave the Cybermen alone, before we get plastic technicolor Cybermen. 82, the stories that focus on the cracks have made it perfectly clear that the cracks don't erase every effect that the erased person has ever had on the universe. The Doctor delivered a whole speech about that to Amy when she was starting to recognize her engagement ring.[[User:Icecreamdif|Icecreamdif]] <sup>[[User talk:Icecreamdif|talk to me]]</sup> 20:30, December 6, 2011 (UTC)


Yes, but that still leaves us with Harriet Jones and all those other people in STE/JE being killed by nothing, Amy just popping out of nowhere one day, the crew of the Byzantium and the Clerics being stalked and killed by nothing, and nothing deflecting the Silurian's blaster bolt at the Doctor in THE/CD. And correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Craig live in the vicinity of London? [[Special:Contributions/82.2.136.93|82.2.136.93]] 22:51, December 6, 2011 (UTC)
Yes, but that still leaves us with Harriet Jones and all those other people in STE/JE being killed by nothing, Amy just popping out of nowhere one day, the crew of the Byzantium and the Clerics being stalked and killed by nothing, and nothing deflecting the Silurian's blaster bolt at the Doctor in THE/CD. And correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Craig live in the vicinity of London? [[Special:Contributions/82.2.136.93|82.2.136.93]] 22:51, December 6, 2011 (UTC)
 
It also leaves us with Amy having a picture of a man who never existed dressed like a Roman, and an engagement ring given to her by noone. It has been pretty well established that the cracks leave paradoxes behind when they erase things. The Cybermen couldn't possibly have gone into every home in London. They probably picked at random, possibly based on how many people were inside for them to upgrade. Craig was probably just sitting on his couch at the time, and didn't happen to see any Cybermen. Even if the battle was going on outside his house, anyone with any sense would stay inside upon hearing explosions outside. Still, the Cybermen weren't everywhere, even in the London area, so the battle probably just wasn't going on in Aickman Road. There is a reason that it's called The Battle of Canary Wharf, and not The Battle of the London Area.[[User:Icecreamdif|Icecreamdif]] <sup>[[User talk:Icecreamdif|talk to me]]</sup> 23:37, December 6, 2011 (UTC)
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