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Imamadmad, "we experience the doctor's timeline which crosses many timestreams. imagine a 5d universe": Theoretical physicists already imagine an 11-D universe (last I heard -- may be more by now) but I know what you mean: 3-D space, 1-D "normal" time, and 1-D "meta-time" (for want of a better word). Something much like this has been discussed on this site before and, as far as I can see, having a "meta-time" dimension is the only way the thing can work. It'd really need to be a 6-D universe, though, because a second dimension of time was established in ''Battlefield'', where the (7th) Doctor talks of "sideways in time, across the boundaries that divide one universe from another". That second dimension of time clearly cannot be the "meta-time" we need to make sense of the Doctor's career. As you say, we can move fairly freely in the 3 dimensions of space but slide through the 1 dimension of "normal" time automatically. Time travellers can move fairly freely in the 3 dimensions of space and the 1 dimension of "normal" time. When Gallifrey and the Time Lords were around (in the "classic" series), travel in the 2nd dimension of time was also comparatively easy, so the Doctor, among others, could and occasionally did visit alternate universes of various kinds. Without Gallifrey and the Time Lords (in the revived series), that became increasingly difficult. It's still not totally impossible -- ''The Doctor's Wife'', for example -- although it seems to be heading that way. In "normal" time, the (9th) Doctor and Rose met Charles Dickens, in 1869, before the (1st) Doctor and Susan met Barbara Wright and Ian Chesterton, in 1963. In "meta-time", it was the other way around. What I've called "meta-time" isn't simply the same as the Doctor's personal timeline, though, because his personal timeline can and has folded back on itself more than once -- ''The Three Doctors'', ''The Five Doctors'', ''The Two Doctors ''and ''Time Crash''. --[[Special:Contributions/2.96.21.210|2.96.21.210]] 13:51, December 15, 2011 (UTC) | Imamadmad, "we experience the doctor's timeline which crosses many timestreams. imagine a 5d universe": Theoretical physicists already imagine an 11-D universe (last I heard -- may be more by now) but I know what you mean: 3-D space, 1-D "normal" time, and 1-D "meta-time" (for want of a better word). Something much like this has been discussed on this site before and, as far as I can see, having a "meta-time" dimension is the only way the thing can work. It'd really need to be a 6-D universe, though, because a second dimension of time was established in ''Battlefield'', where the (7th) Doctor talks of "sideways in time, across the boundaries that divide one universe from another". That second dimension of time clearly cannot be the "meta-time" we need to make sense of the Doctor's career. As you say, we can move fairly freely in the 3 dimensions of space but slide through the 1 dimension of "normal" time automatically. Time travellers can move fairly freely in the 3 dimensions of space and the 1 dimension of "normal" time. When Gallifrey and the Time Lords were around (in the "classic" series), travel in the 2nd dimension of time was also comparatively easy, so the Doctor, among others, could and occasionally did visit alternate universes of various kinds. Without Gallifrey and the Time Lords (in the revived series), that became increasingly difficult. It's still not totally impossible -- ''The Doctor's Wife'', for example -- although it seems to be heading that way. In "normal" time, the (9th) Doctor and Rose met Charles Dickens, in 1869, before the (1st) Doctor and Susan met Barbara Wright and Ian Chesterton, in 1963. In "meta-time", it was the other way around. What I've called "meta-time" isn't simply the same as the Doctor's personal timeline, though, because his personal timeline can and has folded back on itself more than once -- ''The Three Doctors'', ''The Five Doctors'', ''The Two Doctors ''and ''Time Crash''. --[[Special:Contributions/2.96.21.210|2.96.21.210]] 13:51, December 15, 2011 (UTC) | ||
... following the timeline of the Doctor through his various incarnations. | ... following the timeline of the Doctor through his various incarnations. Did anyone but me ever have a relative who saved twine in the junk drawer? My mother used to keep a ball of twine in hers with the eggbeaters, corn holders and all the strange little specialized kitchen gadgets. It was usually a struggle to get the drawer open, and when you did, you invariably found the twine snaked and tangled around all sorts of things. You would then spend half an hour untangling things, cleaning out the crumbs that had appeared out of nowhere and placing everything neatly back into the drawer, knowing that the next time you opened it, the contents would be the same snarled mess. It couldn't possibly get that messed up, yet it always did. [[User:Boblipton|Boblipton]] <sup>[[User talk:Boblipton|talk to me]]</sup> 14:12, December 15, 2011 (UTC) | ||
Well if Donna was never half-Time Lord, she wouldn't have been able to fight off the Master's clones in ''The End of Time'', and this would have changed a lot of what happened in that story. The Byzantium still crashed after the Cracks were sealed, as when River appears in Amy and Rory's garden at the end of TWORS she's just come from there. And if the Byzantium never crashed, River wouldn't have earned her pardon, as she would never have been sent there, would she? The only way the Byzantium could have crashed is if the Weeping Angels still existed at some point in time and space. Same with Amy's parents, and Rory, etc, etc. It only seems like they never existed to non-time travellers, people who are stuck in one dimension of time. [[Special:Contributions/82.2.136.93|82.2.136.93]] 14:41, December 15, 2011 (UTC) | |||
