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The '''Pre-Universe''' was the [[Universe]], perhaps the most recent of many universes, that came before [[Normal Space]], the home universe of [[the Doctor]]. After the destruction of the Pre-Universe, some [[:Category:Pre-Universe species|species]] found their way into N-Space, and some (such as the [[Great Old One]]s and [[the Beast]]) had [[god]]-like powers. Thus, some of the most powerful beings in existence came from before the universe that was home to the [[Time Lord]]s was created, making them older even than the Time Lords themselves. ([[NA]]: ''[[All-Consuming Fire (novel)|All-Consuming Fire]]'', [[MA]]: ''[[Millennial Rites]]'')
The '''Pre-Universe''' was the [[Universe]], perhaps the most recent of many universes, that came immediately before [[Normal Space]], the home universe of [[the Doctor]]. After the destruction of the Pre-Universe, some [[:Category:Pre-Universe species|species]] found their way into N-Space and some (such as the [[Great Old One]]s and [[the Beast]]) had [[god]]-like powers. Thus, some of the most powerful beings in existence came from before the universe that was home to the [[Time Lord]]s began. This made them older even than the Time Lords themselves. ([[NA]]: ''[[All-Consuming Fire (novel)|All-Consuming Fire]]'', [[MA]]: ''[[Millennial Rites]]'')


== History ==
== History ==
It was said that the Pre-Universe had a pink void, stars shaped like doughnuts and physical laws closer to what might have been understood as [[magic]]. ([[MA]]: ''[[Millennial Rites]]'')
It was said that the Pre-Universe had a pink void, stars shaped like doughnuts and physical laws closer to what might have been understood as [[magic]]. ([[MA]]: ''[[Millennial Rites]]'')


Knowledge of this universe was a closely guarded secret, and was only in the Doctor's possession as a result of his connection to [[the Matrix]] during his time as [[Lord President]]. ([[MA]]: ''[[Millennial Rites]]'', [[DW]]: ''[[The Invasion of Time]]'') Even then, the knowledge would ultimately have proven temporary: in his [[Sixth Doctor|sixth]] and [[Seventh Doctor|seventh]] incarnations, the Doctor was fully conversant with the details and specifics of this universe ([[NA]]: ''[[All-Consuming Fire (novel)|All-Consuming Fire]]'', [[PDA]]: ''[[Synthespians™]]''), whereas by his [[Tenth Doctor|tenth]] it would almost be an article of religious faith to him that such a universe could not have existed. ([[DW]]:''[http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/The_Satan_Pit The Satan Pit]'')
Knowledge of this universe was a closely guarded secre. The Doctor only knew about it as a result of his connection to [[the Matrix]] during his time as [[Lord President]]. ([[MA]]: ''[[Millennial Rites]]'', [[DW]]: ''[[The Invasion of Time]]'') Even then, the knowledge would have proven temporary: in his [[Sixth Doctor|sixth]] and [[Seventh Doctor|seventh]] incarnations, the Doctor was fully conversant with the details and specifics of this universe ([[NA]]: ''[[All-Consuming Fire (novel)|All-Consuming Fire]]'', [[PDA]]: ''[[Synthespians™]]''), whereas by his [[Tenth Doctor|tenth]] it would almost be an article of religious faith to him that such a universe could not have existed. ([[DW]]:''[http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/The_Satan_Pit The Satan Pit]'')


== Species ==
== Species ==
Amongst the races that claimed to be older than the universe itself were the [[Great Old One]]s such as [[Azathoth]], [[Yog-Sothoth]] and [[Shub-Niggurath]]. ([[NA]]: ''[[All-Consuming Fire (novel)|All-Consuming Fire]]'', [[MA]]: ''[[Millennial Rites]]'') On many planets, these beings became part of the legends and religions. The Great Old Ones were worshipped by the first intelligent species to evolve on Earth - the [[Silurian]]s. ([[NA]]: ''[[All-Consuming Fire (novel)|All-Consuming Fire]]'') It is unclear whether the Great Old Ones were a single species, or merely a term to describe any unimaginably powerful being that was able to escape the Pre-Universe into ours.
Amongst the races that claimed to be older than the universe itself were the [[Great Old One]]s such as [[Azathoth]], [[Yog-Sothoth]] and [[Shub-Niggurath]]. ([[NA]]: ''[[All-Consuming Fire (novel)|All-Consuming Fire]]'', [[MA]]: ''[[Millennial Rites]]'') On many planets, these beings became part of the legends and religions. The Great Old Ones were worshipped by the first intelligent species to evolve on Earth - the [[Silurian]]s. ([[NA]]: ''[[All-Consuming Fire (novel)|All-Consuming Fire]]'') It is unclear whether the Great Old Ones were a single species, or merely a term to describe any unimaginably powerful being that had escaped the Pre-Universe into ours.


The Beast claimed to have originated before the universe, and to have been imprisoned by the [[Disciples of the Light]], likely placing both in the Pre-Universe. The Beast was also said to have been the inspiration for all [[Satan]]-like figures in the mythology of countless alien races, including the Demons of [[human]] mythology, the ancient [[Kaled]] God of War and the [[Draconian]] God of Evil. ([[DW]]: ''[[The Impossible Planet]]'' / ''[[The Satan Pit]]'')
The Beast claimed to have originated before the universe and to have been imprisoned by the [[Disciples of the Light]], likely placing both in the Pre-Universe. The Beast was also said to have been the inspiration for all [[Satan]]-like figures in the mythology of countless alien races, including the Demons of [[human]] mythology, the ancient [[Kaled]] God of War and the [[Draconian]] God of Evil. ([[DW]]: ''[[The Impossible Planet]]'' / ''[[The Satan Pit]]'')


:''In point of fact, the Beast claimed to have been imprisoned "Before Time," and debatably the Pre-Universe could still have been a part of ''"time"''.''
:''In point of fact, the Beast claimed to have been imprisoned "Before Time," and debatably the Pre-Universe could still have been a part of ''"time"''.''


[[Abaddon]], who was the son of the Beast, probably also came from this period and was imprisoned around this time. ([[TW]]: ''[[End of Days]]'') The Beast listed both Abaddon and The Destroyer as alternate names - it is unclear whether [[the Destroyer]] was related to them in some way. ([[DW]]: ''[[The Impossible Planet]]'')
[[Abaddon]], who was the son of the Beast, probably also came from this period and was imprisoned around this time. ([[TW]]: ''[[End of Days]]'') The Beast claimed both Abaddon and The Destroyer as alternate names - it is unclear whether [[the Destroyer]] was related to them in some way. ([[DW]]: ''[[The Impossible Planet]]'')


The [[Ancient Lights]] were speculated by [[Luke Smith]] to have come from the Pre-Universe. ([[SJA]]: ''[[Secrets of the Stars]]'')
The [[Ancient Lights]] were speculated by [[Luke Smith]] to have come from the Pre-Universe. ([[SJA]]: ''[[Secrets of the Stars]]'')
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