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:You want an explanation? I withheld it originally because it is rude, but fine. This is another effort to sneak something into canon when it is clearly meant as a joke. This wiki has established rules of canonicity. Among them are real world events in which the actor portraying the Doctor dresses up as the Doctor as a publicity event. A FIX WITH SONTARANS are established as non-canon as much as the events of AN UNEARTHLY CHILD is established as canon. It's a joke and the insistence of some people that it might be canon indicates nothing more than that some people can't tell the difference between a joke and a serious statement. [[User:Boblipton|Boblipton]] <sup>[[User talk:Boblipton|talk to me]]</sup> 17:05, January 11, 2012 (UTC) | :You want an explanation? I withheld it originally because it is rude, but fine. This is another effort to sneak something into canon when it is clearly meant as a joke. This wiki has established rules of canonicity. Among them are real world events in which the actor portraying the Doctor dresses up as the Doctor as a publicity event. A FIX WITH SONTARANS are established as non-canon as much as the events of AN UNEARTHLY CHILD is established as canon. It's a joke and the insistence of some people that it might be canon indicates nothing more than that some people can't tell the difference between a joke and a serious statement. [[User:Boblipton|Boblipton]] <sup>[[User talk:Boblipton|talk to me]]</sup> 17:05, January 11, 2012 (UTC) | ||
::Well, I'd very much refute your underlying assumption that ''Dimensions in Time'' was meant to be canonical, and then was rendered moot. I don't know where you'd possibly get that from. You ''have'' seen ''DIT'', right? It's primarily about the implausible mixing of the EastEnders and DW universes. DW monsters are seen hanging out the windows of the Old Vic like they're in the opening titles of ''Sesame Street''. There's no way it was ever anything but a pantomime, which makes sense because it was written by the panto impresario himself, JNT. | |||
::So your basis of comparison is wrong. If ''Fix'' is like ''DIT'', it's that both were quite intentional wish-fulfilment pantos. Neither is particularly close to canon. | |||
::Equally, your premise that "it's canonical by virtue of having a sequel" is also spurious. There are sequels to the Dalek movies of the 1960s in prose and in comics, but this wiki doesn't consider any of it a part of the ''Doctor Who'' universe. | |||
::Looking solely at ''Fix'' itself, though, I think there are a few things that clearly disqualify it. First, Gareth says he watches the Doctor on telly. And it's integral to the plot that he should have watched the Doctor operate the TARDIS on TV. ''Doctor Who'' doesn't exist within the DWU, no matter how very close it came in ''[[Remembrance of the Daleks]]''. It's not just a moment of literary [[fourth wall]] breakage, like in "[[The Feast of Steven]]" or ''[[The Caves of Androzani]]''. The whole plot hinges on it. (And actually, it's not fourth wall breakage at all. It's just illogical self-reference.) | |||
::Then you've got the problem of the titular Jim on the TARDIS scanner, and the way that the sktech just peters out at the end to an awards ceremony in which Colin never clearly breaks character. Both make it impossible to think of ''Fix'' as canonical. Someone still being called "the Doctor" calls a Sontaran weapon a "BBC mezon gun"? How can we possibly deal with the clear mixture of in-universe and behind-the-scenes phraseology? | |||
::I'll tell you how: we just consider this thing as it was always intended. It's a damned sketch sketch on ''Jim'll Fix It''. It's '''not an episode of ''Doctor Who'''''. Pretty simple, really. | |||
::The real question about ''[[A Fix with Sontarans]]'' is why we give it that name at all. The sketch was untitled on broadcast, so I'm not sure I've ever quite known why it's called that. I don't doubt that it's the best title available, I just wanna know the source of it. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}} <span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">18:51: Wed 11 Jan 2012 </span> | |||
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