Talk:CyberMondan

I believe this used to be an article along with the other versions from David Banks's book, but this term actually came from Iceberg so it's within the universe as a term. Steed ☎ 01:37, April 17, 2014 (UTC)

Split page

World Enough and Time's appearance doesn't line up with Iceberg at all, and the former treats it more as the first step and genesis than a refusal to look like the Invasion style ones. The Doctor Falls even outright states that the colony ship Cybermen are parallel evolutions to multiple versions of the Cybermen the Doctor fought previously, and I think it strongly suggests The Tenth Planet as well as The Invasion applies to this. Also, as many years pass in the time dilation, we see ones closer to the fully converted Cybus-men and the flying Death in Heaven types arise despite apparently never leaving the ship (which probably means an evolution and refinement than a stagnating appearance). For what it's worth, rightly or wrongly, Twelve's term Mondasian Cyberman right now redirects to Cyberman, not here. -- Tybort (talk page) 02:23, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

The Cyber-variant pages are about the physical variants, not about specific groups. See also Weapons-grade Cyberman describing both the ones from Nightmare in Silver and the identical ones from Doctor Falls. We simply document the existence of these physical archetypes, without getting into the irresolvably-confused issue of which ones in which episodes are from what origin. Scrooge MacDuck ⊕ 11:29, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

OK, but then a lead rewrite about and/or giving more emphasis to Mondan or Mondasian referring to the cloth masked archetype is still necessary, for pretty much all the aforementioned reasons. Certainly not anything that gives supremacy to Iceberg OR the penultimate Capaldi story's accounts. -- Tybort (talk page) 18:29, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

Absolutely. Scrooge MacDuck ⊕ 18:33, 6 December 2023 (UTC)