Talk:Father's Day (TV story)

Something to put in the trivia section?

I was watching this today, and in the scene where Rose and Pete were driving to the wedding, Rick Astley's "Never Gonna Give You Up" was playing. Is there a trivia section or something? The Dark Fiddler - Nos hablamos? 19:21, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Disambiguation?

Father's Day is a day which humans (us in some way) celebrate their fathers. It's also an episode. I'm suprised we don't have an article for the day of Father's Day, so I think it should be created. Don't you agree? BroadcastCorp (talk | contribs) 12:36, August 25, 2011 (UTC)

Find me an in-universe to the actual holiday. Boblipton 12:39, August 25, 2011 (UTC)

Why can't you do it yourself? BroadcastCorp (talk | contribs) 14:34, August 25, 2011 (UTC)

Err...because BroadcastCorp, you're the one identifying that the page should be disambiguated.

Which understandably, Boblipton I would assume thinks if you're suggesting it should be disambiguated that you've identified somewhere inuniverse that it exists, thus justifying the disambig. --Tangerineduel / talk 15:56, August 25, 2011 (UTC)

No. I'm suggesting that in order to have a disambiguation, we'd need two articles to disambiguate. In order to have a second article, we'd best be served by an in-world reference to the holiday. As I am aware of none, I meant to invite Broadcastcorp -- or, indeed anyone who cares to -- to find the in-world reference and create the article. I have not found an in-world reference to the article. I apologize if I have given the impression I have. Boblipton 17:06, August 25, 2011 (UTC)

The Doctor meeting himself.

I've not seen The Space Museum, so I may not know all the details, but didn't One see a future version of himself in the eponymous museum as well? -- Tybort (talk page) 21:26, September 7, 2011 (UTC)

Uncredited cast

A non IMDb or Wikipedia source need to be added for the following cast:

• Matt - Crispin Layfield
• Voice of Alexander Graham Bell - Ben Fido

Thanks. MM/Want to talk? 20:03, May 3, 2012 (UTC)

Flashback

Altered this paragraph considerably, as it's really not true. There are flashbacks in the pre-titles and straight after, but that's only Jackie telling young Rose about Pete intercut with Rose talking to the Doctor. Pete and Jackie's wedding is not one of these.

In the TARDIS, Rose hesitantly asks the Doctor if they can go to the day her father died so that she can be there for him when he does. The Doctor says that he can do this, but he is concerned Rose may not be able to handle it emotionally. He tells her to be careful what she wishes for. In a flashback, we see that the Doctor and Rose have already witnessed Jackie and Pete's wedding.

This is actually how the early minutes pan out: Rose wants to see her father alive, the Doctor activates the TARDIS. Opening credits. We see her in the same outfit she's wearing at the top of the episode when she's present at Pete and Jackie's wedding, then Rose talks to the Doctor about the day Pete died and how there was no-one there for him. The Doctor activates the TARDIS again.

Maybe this is somewhat muddled by the original editor via actual flashbacks to Rose's mother talking about him. And it's not a continuity error from the scripting or the wardrobing. This is the exact quote from the first scene in the TARDIS: "Could we go and see my dad, when he was still alive?" Nothing in the teaser says it's the same scene (about 3 minutes in, also in the TARDIS control room) where Rose asks him to take her to the day that he died, and it also says outright that Rose hasn't seen her father before, placing the wedding bit after the initial scene. -- Tybort (talk page) 21:39, September 26, 2013 (UTC)

References, Notes, Continuity? Oh, My... =

Always wondered about the pop that was spilled by the [assumed vagrant] in the early scenes of the episode. It says Krystal Whyte Cider, and also features a Big Value print on the sticker. I've never gotten any info off the internet about this, but wondered if this was some reference that I'm unaware of, or that should be in one of the aforementioned categories. I looked and know there's a couple things in the PROSE books, but either really seems a stretch. Anyway, if someone could fix this or at least enlighten me (hopefully more than "it's just a prop" but I understand that too), it would be appreciated. Thanks. Blast Vortex ☎ 00:08, October 17, 2020 (UTC)

Pete's death wasn't a universal fixed point

I'm revisiting some of series 1 and came to this page to check something, and I don't understand why there's so much talk in the article about fixed points when Pete's death was never treated as one.

The plot of the episode came about because Rose prevented her father's death, yes, but the issue came from not only interfering with her own direct history, but creating a paradox in the process by running past both herself and the Doctor from moments prior. This is what caused the Reapers to appear and is always a bad way to tamper with history even with flux events, of which this is one. When the Doctor was attempting to retrieve the TARDIS, he specified that events would be forgotten and return to normal, and what was changed (i.e. Pete's death) would remain changed. This would not have been so casually possible had it been a fixed point; Pete would have still needed to die, or the Doctor would have been far more insistent that he needed to.

Had it been under different circumstances, Pete could have been saved without issue. Only because Rose was the one to do it, while creating a paradox in the process, did the problem arise. As such, if the discussion is simply because it involves interfering with one's direct past (such as running past oneself and directly affecting personal history) then that's fair enough, as long as it's not leading people to believe that Pete's death event itself is fixed in the context of universal importance the way other events usually described as such are, such as Bowie Base One's destruction or the Doctor's apparent death at Lake Silencio (which for the record, remained unaltered if anybody was going to bring that up). ProtoKun7 ☎ 08:28, 10 January 2024 (UTC)