Talk:Human-Time Lord Meta-Crisis

Moved page makes no sense.

This page should be moved back to Human-Time Lord Meta-Crisis or a similar term with different spelling. The first line in the current status, "Human-Time Lord Hybrid is the term applied..." Applied by whom? At least the older title is said by several people in Journey's End and The End of Time.

I also have further issues with the way this page has been laid out in its attempt to expand Meta-Crisis into "a mix of human and Time Lord traits" in general, namely, the first two ways under the "creation" header are very tenuous or are otherwise unsourced. It says that it's "proved" to have three different ways, but they're completely unsourced and contradicted by the fact that further down the page that it says the "only" proven examples of hybridisation are the Meta-Crisis Tenth Doctor and the DoctorDonna.

• Sexual reproduction - Although ever seen was often suggested that Time Lords and humans are compatible to produce an offspring. The existence of such hybrids shows that the Time Lord and human DNA can coexist in one being.

I'm pretty sure that with the Doctor, at best it's an "according to some accounts but not others", like with whether the Doctor was woven or had parents. We have a page on a human mother, but that's not always backed up by non-Eighth Doctor media. Either way, it's rife with speculation, and the Doctor says several times that he's alien and the Time Lords are his people. If the existence is referring to the DoctorDonna, then it can't, or it's otherwise inconclusive, considering that with the Donna side in Journey's End, it really, really doesn't coexist for very long; certainly not with Donna's human mind. Her Time Lord memories are forcibly wiped because of the Time Lord DNA being dangerously and unpredictably mixed. Not to mention, "often suggested" and "the existence of" are not the same thing

• Cloning - The hybrid known only Kryptonian to be made under this is Jenny, cloned from the DNA of the Tenth Doctor.

This is gibberish. I can only assume this is an extension of the Doctor inconsistently being half-human and having both traits? Any details about Jenny being an echo or not being Time Lord enough and how is well within the boundaries of speculation and not for an online encyclopedia in namespace 0.

Maybe, if there's clear, unambiguous, cited, non-contradictory non-Meta-Crisis examples of human-Time Lord hybridisation, then we can use this space as an overview, but even then, Meta-Crisis has enough of a concept on its own to stand as a full page and not be moved here, seeing as it's officially named in Journey's End and The End of Time. -- Tybort (talk page) 23:17, September 30, 2013 (UTC)

I've restored this page to its original title. I also removed some of the more speculative parts. Feel free to change/remove anything you feel doesn't really belong.

Any attempt to rename the page must be discussed here first. However, if necessary (which I am not granting), a new separate page might be made, with this one staying as it is like Tybort suggests above. Shambala108 ☎ 01:11, October 1, 2013 (UTC)