Talk:Merry Christmas from See Hear (TV story)

Where is this thing?

It's not on the official Doctor Who Twitter at that date, and the official BBC Twitter account did not release or retweet it on December the 8th, either.
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 20:40, December 14, 2016 (UTC)

It's took me ages to find it, I have, it's on The BBC Fan Show channel. - Sir DENCH-and-PALMER ☎ 20:54, December 14, 2016 (UTC)

So just to be clear, this is a GIF retweeted by the Doctor Who Fan Show.
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 21:05, December 14, 2016 (UTC)

No idea. I've seen a mere repost. The original creator should say where he/she found it originally. The version I watched was a 10 second video rather than a gif but a gif version may exist. - Sir DENCH-and-PALMER ☎ 21:08, December 14, 2016 (UTC)

It seems the original video was released by BBCSeeHear, "a magazine programme for deaf and hard of hearing people", here: https://twitter.com/BBCSeeHear/status/806416180277874688

Also released on their Facebook page, here: <video link removed per Tardis:Video policy>

This means that, for one thing, the title comes from nowhere. If anything, this is "Merry Christmas from See Hear", as it says on Facebook.

That video features starring actors from a bunch of different BBC programmes (including Sophie Stone, who played Cass), and may in fact not be where the originator of the article first found it, if indeed they did watch a 10-second video.
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 21:46, December 14, 2016 (UTC)

Should it be renamed to "Merry Christmas from See Hear"? - Sir DENCH-and-PALMER ☎ 22:08, December 14, 2016 (UTC)

Story

Upon watching it from the links provided above, I started wondering: is this even a story? It seems to me pretty much an advertising with stars from BBC shows, and among them, Peter Capaldi in his Twelfth Doctor costume. Despite Capaldi wearing the costume and being inside the TARDIS set, however, it doesn't look like a Doctor Who story to me. Any thoughs? OncomingStorm12th ☎ 02:28, December 17, 2016 (UTC)

I don't know anything about this, but the article description says it's a "10 second greeting". I agree that it doesn't sound like a story. Shambala108 ☎ 02:51, December 17, 2016 (UTC)

100% not an advertisement. It's similar to Songtaran Carols in that respect. - Sir DENCH-and-PALMER ☎ 09:02, December 17, 2016 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but Songtaran Carols is completly different from this.

• SC has the same opening style as the current year releases, already suggesting a relation to DW. This has no opening at all, but this is not the only reason MCFTD is not a story.
• In SC, the Eleventh Doctor very clearly calls "Strax" by his name. This indicates characters are present. No character is named on MCFTD
• Look at the publisher's summary from SC: "Join Strax and the gang for a seasonal Sontaran sing-song!". Look at what BBCSeeHear says about it: "Merry Christmas to all @BBCSeeHear viewers from our friends across the BBC!". Across the BBC. I hardly think that the Doctor is a friend from the BBC.
• Now, analysing the content of the MCFTD video: we see a lot of TV hosts and actors. Why would we conclude that the only time we see a character rather than an actor is when Doctor Who appears? Is it logical to think we see real world people during all the ad, excpet when Peter Capaldi appears? OncomingStorm12th ☎ 15:26, December 17, 2016 (UTC)

Given that the only link to this page is a behind the scenes note on British Sign Language, added by User:SOTO, along with all of User:OncomingStorm12th's points above, I'm ready to declare this an advertisement. Shambala108 ☎ 15:41, December 17, 2016 (UTC)

Looking for Pudsey has real world people and only two people in character. I'm not fussed what you do but it's not an advertisement. - Sir DENCH-and-PALMER ☎ 16:37, December 17, 2016 (UTC)

Still, largely different. LfP has real world people interacting with the Doctor. It is clearly the Doctor rather than Peter Capaldi, because "the TARDIS" is said by someone in the story. On MCftD, we see actors on a set where their shows are usually filmed. For Doctor Who, it would be the TARDIS. There is great difference between "real world people appearing as themselves in a story" and "real world people appearing as themselves in an ad". OncomingStorm12th ☎ 16:47, December 17, 2016 (UTC)

It may not be technically an ad, but it has to be called something or it will be deleted. It seems like a marketing campaign by the BBC, so that's what we'll call it. Shambala108 ☎ 00:41, December 18, 2016 (UTC)

Can we at least restore the Infobox with all the needed info. If it's because it's Infobox story then can we create an Infobox marketing campaign? – The preceding unsigned comment was added by DENCH-and-PALMER (talk • contribs) .

Coverage

With this story, how exactly should we be covering it? The page currently has links to pages for the other "characters" appearing in the video, but I'm not entirely sure they're meant to all be taken as part of the same story, since I can't really see any interactions or framing narrative in the video. Cookieboy 2005 ☎ 14:29, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

The invalid tag was removed by an IP and no one seems to have questioned that, and consequently "in-universe" pages have been created for this ident. It's a real stretch to cover the various celebrities involved in this as "characters", honestly. Danochy ☎ 06:17, 26 April 2024 (UTC)