Talk:Ravenous 1

Dab term

I noticed that one editor put a speedy rename template (right move) and another editor moved the page (bad move). Could you both explain the rationale behind having a dab term here? Thanks. Amorkuz ☎ 15:39, April 10, 2018 (UTC)

When I added the speedy rename template, I did so because I thought that all audio anthologies required the dab term, in large part because all of the other Eighth Doctor audio anthologies, among others, had them. Having investigated the matter more fully, I see that there are plenty of others which don't have the dab term. As such, I am less certain on this issue than I was earlier and would appreciate some clarification as to when the dab term should and shouldn't be used. GusF ☎ 19:06, April 10, 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, what exactly are the rules? All of Dark Eyes, Doom Coalition and the War Doctor box sets have the disambiguation but The Eighth Doctor: The Time War, The Churchill Years and The Diary of River Song don't. -- Saxon 21:00, April 10, 2018 (UTC)

What is certain is that there is no policy requiring a dab term for anthologies, unlike, say, stories, which are always dabbed (so I would have at a minimum use "rename" instead of "speedy rename" in such cases). Anthologies are at the moment left to their own devices and there is a bit of inconsistency in the names, quite a bit actually. Now I thought this through over Christmas and explained in Thread:227330 why using the dab term for anthology titles with colon should be avoided. There it is purely a productivity issue. I've done a fair bit of renaming then and will return to it when time permits.

However, that argument does not apply to Dark Eyes 2 (audio anthology), Doom Coalition 3 (audio anthology) or "Ravenous 1 (audio anthology)" because they do not have a colon. I myself still believe the dab term is not needed here. And there was a request to keep the redirect from the dabbed variant, which is not a problem. If there is a real benefit of keeping the page with the dab term, I'd be interested to hear it. There's always room for improvement. If there isn't, I don't see the point of making page titles longer than needed. Amorkuz ☎ 21:23, April 10, 2018 (UTC)

I've no objection to the dab term being removed. However, I do think that the Wiki should decide on a definite policy regarding dab terms for anthologies as this unfortunate lack of clarity will probably cause similar confusion in the future. GusF ☎ 09:58, April 11, 2018 (UTC)

I apologise for moving the page, as this wasn't my intention. I was merely attempting to retitle the page to add the dab title as I thought that it was incorrect with previous audio anthology pages also being titled with it. I'm starting to get the feeling that I just shouldn't do anything on this wiki. My efforts, more often then not, are misguided and regularly need correcting or altering. I think it's safe to say that I don't completely understand what I'm doing a lot of the time. BelcherMorganJames ☎ 12:26, April 11, 2018 (UTC)

Don't beat yourself up. Many of us, including me, have been schooled by Shambala in our initial steps. Sorry if my warning on top of hers was a bit excessive. It is completely normal and not a big deal to find oneself violating one of the many policies and get a message from an admin. As long as the information is acted upon, you are not to blame. In other words, now that you know pages should only be moved by admin, if you don't move any more pages, then you do know what you're doing with respect to moves. You can always put a {{rename}} template based on your opinion or feeling. If you know a policy supporting a move, then you can use {{speedy rename}}. If you feel the move should be done quickly, you can contact an admin and ask to expedite it.

For better or worse, in my experience, learning one's way around here goes through mistakes. Consider yourself on the right path. Amorkuz ☎ 11:42, April 11, 2018 (UTC)