Talk:Rory Williams/Archive 1

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Soul?!?

In which part of the bloody episode does it say Auton Rory housed Rory's soul?!??? Memory and personality doesn't mean soul; why would anyone use such figurative way of speech in a wiki?!???--203.168.176.42 07:53, July 13, 2010 (UTC)

• The Doctor says it in "The Big Bang" - he says "not just your face, but your heart, your soul" - when they are putting Amy in the Pandorica, I believe. 207.171.242.66 01:31, July 25, 2010 (UTC)

Rory's Age / Identity

So, after Rory's death/deletion in 2020, his consciousness was restored as an auton in 120AD and he lived that way until 2010 when he was restored again to human form. If we assume that one's true "age" is carried by the character's consciousness, identity & memories and not their physical form (as it is with the Doctor), then could it be said that Rory is now twice as old as the Doctor?

Alternate Rory not existing?

I'm pretty sure Alternate Rory existed in some way. You can clearly hear Rory saying in "The Big Bang", "How did we forget the dr", "I was made out of plastic".

So even though there is only one Rory now, the alternate Rory had to exist and his memories brought back to this Rory... Don't you agree? 75.72.174.65 01:23, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

&nbsp Why is it now assumed that Rory Williams is Amy Pond's fiance? There is no evidence for this. All we know is that Rory is Amy's "sort of" boyfriend, and that two years later she is engaged to someone who MIGHT be Rory, but we don't actually KNOW. Stop writing this as if it is undoubted fact, when it is NOT.

I agree that we shouldn't jump to conclusions, but it IS the most likely outcome. Also, sign your posts, please.Excalibur-117 11:32, April 5, 2010 (UTC)

Is it? Rory's reaction to the mention of Jeff's name makes him at least a plausible romantic interest, even though filming reports point to Rory's presence in more episodes. CzechOut ☎ | ✍ 22:34, April 5, 2010 (UTC)

The 'Vampires in Venice' script leak heavily implies that it's Amy and Rory getting married and the trip to Venice is a wedding present. So there is evidence for it. I do agree though that articles shouldn't bear this kind of info unless in a rumours section until broadcast.86.134.188.188 12:13, April 20, 2010 (UTC)

Yep, I know of the leaked script. But the point is we can't go off of stuff like that, cause we only have a portion. Even if that does actually make it into the final edit, and there's evidence that it probably does from various trailers, it's not necessarily so straightforward. For instance, Amy could have been engaged to him, given him back the ring, gotten engaged to someone else. The Doctor could believe that she made a mistake, so he's taking Rory along to give them a chance to rekindle their relationship. CzechOut ☎ | ✍ 16:03, April 20, 2010 (UTC)

Right then, let me just point something out: The exact line the Doctor says when he pops out of the cake at Rory's bachelor party is "Your fiance kissed me" You see him kissing anyone else recently? (It happened during Vampire's of Venice)

What the Doctor isn't saying...

Technology: Laptop Computer with video confrence capabilities. Cell phones all over the place, with cameras.

Rory's badge, which they zoomed in on purpose: Date of issue: 30,11, 1990

Assumed date the bulk of the story takes place: 2008 or 2010 (depending on if the 'two years later' put it in the current year, or two years ahead of us)

This would mean Rory has been a nurse for 18-20 years. He said he was made to dress up as the Raggedy Doctor when 'we were kids' to Amy Pond. To go through schooling and become a nurse, he'd have to be 20 or so years old. This would mean that he is roughly 40 in the main portion of the story? I don't think so. We never see the date, and only see cell phones and laptops which indicate it is near 2010. Either Rory has a false ID (he was also in the coma ward, when his ID says emergency ward), Rory is impossibly older than he should be, or something is out-of-time with technology. The doctor notices the camera phones, and notices Rory's 1990 issued badge.

Is something up with Rory, time / technology, or the Doctor himself?

216.153.224.108 09:25, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

• The production error is a killer, but my mind is saying that the Doctor was still "cooking", so his brain isn't functioning correctly. Which is why he saw 1990 instead of another number. That's how I'm choosing to see it. Mc hammark 08:56, April 28, 2010 (UTC)
• In S5E3 Victory of the Daleks Amy doesn't remember the Daleks, could it be because is in the town that time forgot? Mikedfontaine 05:01, June 10, 2011 (UTC)

Maybe the person who printed the badge at the hospital made a typo and didn't notice. When Rory noticed and asked for a new one they couldn't be bothered to reprint and laminate just for a few digits so they told him to tipex it but, shock horror, he couldn't find any. Isn't that a bit more realistic than trying to reconcile 1990 with 2010?82.45.232.218 20:51, May 16, 2010 (UTC)

Leadworth is the 'town that time forgot.'

Doctor Likes Him?

Um, is that little bit at the end of the page really necessary? The one about the Doctor liking him a lot. Shouldn't just be in the personality bit or something???81.154.143.161 17:58, May 24, 2010 (UTC)

Just put it this way, be glad he didn't say that about Jack... *shudders* #OO#

Name badge

It clearly states on the bade that 1990 was the date of issue NOT the current date. So why is there that section at the bottom about it? :S Matta jr 00:59, May 30, 2010 (UTC)

Think about how old he would have to be if the badge was issued 20 years prior to the current date. Let's say 4 years of training as a nurse, and he would have had to be at least 16 at that point, making him 40 in 2010. He was a childhood friend of Amy Pond, and she is 21 years old (born 1989) in 2010. That's why there's that section at the bottom. 79.79.142.235 01:21, May 30, 2010 (UTC)

Time Loss?

Quote from the article, "...in the same latter episode, the clock in Amy's bedroom jumped from 11:59am June 25th to 12pm June 26th, one entire day missed in one second - and it was night time outside." Was it definitely 11:59am to 12pm or could it just be a continuity error where the am and pm bits were mixed up, would make more sense. Also see the fact that it's night outside lending towards the clock meaning to show 11:59 pm June 25th - 12 am June 26th. 144.173.212.40 03:36, May 30, 2010 (UTC)

I would believe that apart from the fact that it also does the exact same thing in the TARDIS in a different episode, plus the fact that digital clocks can't change like that unless they're specifically made to. I just really don't want it to be an error ~Coolio~

Wouldn't that be 12 hours, and not a full day?

isn't it just a theatrical way of indicating the ordainary passage of time?

Erasure?

• Did anybody else notice that in Cold Blood, after Rory is supposed to be erased, the engagement ring box is still seen in the Tardis? Poggin 13:11, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
• God point. Could that mean the the return of Rory? --Edward Rankin (talk) 14:12, May 30, 2010 (UTC)

• Could be as there have been some rumors that he will return in the series finale as a roman soldier i might as well be wrong but i think the crack is like a resurrectuer it might be bad but it might use him like a slave maybe thats why he might be returning as a roman soldier The mysterious 14:19, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
  

Oh My God! Don't you get it. The person is removed from time. All other events up until then happen still, they are just forgotten about. Well, I would guess all pictures of Rory would be gone too, just Rory is now gone, his house will still be there and his belongings possibly. ☆The Solar Dragon ^{(Talk - Contribs.)}☆ 14:42, May 30, 2010 (UTC)

• On the subject of his return, we know that the cracks erase people from time, and that they can allow passage, so why not both? Perhaps the cracks removed Rory from existence here and transported him through time. As for the ring? As Solar Dragon said, a change in events in the past do not affect the events happening presently. The Thirteenth Doctor 14:50, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
• But wwhat about that piece of the TARDIS, what was it doing in the crack. Does that mean it was the source of the crack and that piece of the TARDIS was shrapnel from an explosion. Could the Doctor be indirectly responsible for Rory's erasure ~Serial-Doodler~
• Well as the Doctor says in The Pandorica Opens "People fall out of the world sometimes but they always leave traces. Little things we can't quite account for. Faces in photographs, luggage, half-eaten meals." so a lot of the things that Rory owned or had been involved in remained rather than being erased.

Rory gone forever?

In Cold Blood Rory is supposedly wiped from existance by the crack, no-one remembers him but the Doctor (despite his efforts to stop Amy forgetting him). But, there are rumours he'll appear in the season finale plus the fact that at the beginning of Cold Blood he placed the engagement ring in the TARDIS. Perhaps it'll be used in some way to bring him back as the TARDIS usually remains unaffected by changes in the timestream and they wouldn't just show us it for nothing, would they...
Exactly what i was thinking, but its just speculation for now.

It is highly likely that Rory is coming back, for more reason than narrative imperative and the fact that we've seen him in a trailer. A future version of Rory was seen at the beginning of The Hungry Earth, unless the Doctor was lying. Now I can quite believe that Rory's future timeline would be wiped at the same time as his past timeline when he was swallowed by the crack - however, if the crack hadn't been there Rory would still have been killed by Restac (I don't believe he would have survived even if he hadn't been next to it). So the Rory that was seen at the beginning of The Hungry Earth has either already been reclaimed from the crack (in which case the crack saved his life in some manner), or is a completely different version fetched from a version of reality where he never got killed or consumed by the crack in the first place. There is no reason to believe that the future Rory wasn't there at the end of Cold Blood - he might have been hiding, or been absent for some other reason when Amy and the Doctor came out of the TARDIS.

I've just noticed something else though, you know that Amy's supposed to be orpharned and lived with her aunt, well it's been comfirmed that Amy's mum will be starring in the series finale along with River Song, the Tenth Doctor and Rory.

I think it goes without saying that Rory will be back in some capacity to be honest, they made too much of a big deal of showing him put the engadgement ring in the TARDIS and the Doctor's reaction to it after Amy has forgotten Rory. And on a side note, do try and remember to sign your posts please :) Lyco 03:10, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

The fact that future Rory was seen at the start of The Hungry Earth doesn't mean anything. The Doctor explains as much to Amy--they future Amy and Rory she saw are just one possible future, and history can change. And at the end of Cold Blood, after Amy has forgotten Rory, she sees only herself waving (although she briefly thought she saw someone else), and remembers only having seen herself earlier.

If you want to know about spoilers (and presumably you do, or you wouldn't be asking what's going to happen later), Arthur Darvill (who plays Rory) has been photographed on the set of episode 13, The Big Bang, at or near Stonehenge in Roman Britain in 102 AD, wearing what's been described as "Roman armor" and "a Roman auxiliary uniform". This doesn't prove that he's playing Rory--he could be some ancient relative of Rory, or just some guy who happens to look like him--but the obvious guess seems to be that Rory actually went back in time to the opening of the Pandorica (which is hidden inside Stonehenge) rather than being erased from time.

And I'll bet that the ring is important in some way in that episode. --Falcotron 04:15, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

Rory = >:O

Seriously, am i the only persson who hates rorys guts! I liked Mickey because it was a new idea, but Rory is no differant and therefore cliche!

(Please don't take this the wrong way. I like the actor, Arthur Darvill, i just don't think Steven Moffat gave him a very original character to play.)

GOOD RIDDANCE!

90.202.74.73 14:29, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

• I disagree. I like the character. I suggest though, you put this in the forum, the talk page is not the place for discussing this type of thing. The Thirteenth Doctor 18:51, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

(event erased due to time field)

Isn't it a little redundant to put that on every single action he's taken? You could just declare it at the start of the section, or at least use a footnote maker instead. This way looks tacky. --trlkly 09:10, June 3, 2010 (UTC)

I'm sure I did that. I thought it was pointless to list it all too, but someone seems to have reverted it. The Thirteenth Doctor 12:48, June 3, 2010 (UTC)

Rory vs. Mickey

The article says:

Rory and Mickey also share personality traits, as Rory's clumsy nature (usually offering comic relief) and the Doctor's attitude towards him is near-identical with that of Mickey in his early appearances.

Nothing about this is accurate. The only thing they have in common is the fear that they're going to lose their girlfriend to the Doctor.

Their personalities are totally different--Rory is an agitated nerd, Mickey is a depressive mopey whiner. Mickey desperately wants everyone to think he's hard; Rory doesn't give a damn about that.

As for clumsiness--Mickey may be cowardly, clingy, childish, and a lot of other c's, but he's not clumsy. His athleticism, and occasionally even grace, is the only thing he really has going for him, while Rory lacks that completely. Beyond physicality, Rory clumsily blurts out uncomfortable things, but Mickey doesn't do this--he barely says anything other than to whine and then cringe like a whipped puppy and mutter to himself if anyone pays attention.

And the Doctor doesn't treat them at all the same. Mickey is treated as if he were a romantic rival, or as if he would be if he weren't so beneath the Doctor's contempt. Rory, on the other hand, is treated more like a daughter's suitor. The Doctor first wants to find out if Rory's good enough for his little Amy, tests him briefly, quickly decides that he likes this one, and then starts trying to help.

Also, the Doctor treats Mickey like an idiot--in fact, calls him "Mickey the Idiot", something he never does with Rory. In fact, the first thing he notices about Rory is that he's doing something clever, photographing an anomalous man and dog instead of the dying Sun. Yeah, he's brusque with Rory, but he's equally brusque with Amy, and everyone else. He asks for Rory's opinion as much as anyone else (which one does he grab at the end of VoV?), and in fact tells him to shut up _less_ than he does to Amy.

So, I'm going to remove this. --Falcotron 06:14, June 4, 2010 (UTC)

Someone has put it back in. User:Solar Dragon/Signature 17:25, June 8, 2010 (UTC)

The article states:

"Rory is comparable in some ways with the 's companion, . Rory, like Mickey, is the boyfriend of the main companion, and is present at the companion's initial meeting with , getting left behind when the companion ( or respectively) leaves with to go travelling." This is all untrue. When The 9th Doctor meets Rose, she is alone. That is the initial meeting, at night, alone. When The 11th Doctor meets young Amelia Pond, there is no Rory Williams present. This statement that they (Mickey Smith & Rory Williams) were present during the companions' (Amy/Rose) initial meeting is inaccurate. ScoutDaddy70 12:05, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

Rhys Williams? Rory Williams?

Am I the only one who notices the similiarities?

Rhys Williams. Rory Williams.

Both have a fiance/wife that's sort of in love with another man. (Gwen has/had a thing for Jack, Amy tries to seduce the Doctor)

Both have a bit of a background role, initially.

Both seem average compared to their, well, I suppose I could call them their rivals? (Rhys is a lorry driver, Jack's immortal. Rory's a nurse, the Doctor's a Time Lord.)

Gwen chose to marry Rhys over Jack. Amy chose Rory in Amy's Choice.

The reason I think the similarities are so important.

Both have died. But Rhys was brought back.

Can we assume that Rory will do the same?

24.111.135.208 21:10, June 5, 2010 (UTC) DJ TARDIS

• blinks* How on Earth did we miss this?! I think that theory definitely has a chance ~Coolio~

they love killing Rory

That is the third time they have killed this character. Once in Amy's Choice, when he was disintigrated by an old lady (never thought I'd say that). Again near the end of the episiode when the doctor blew up the TARDIS killing them all. And now again exept this time he isn't going to wake up and see it was all a dream.

They are not going to leave him dead, they are going to bring Rory back. A close campanion of the Doctor never gets killed by knowing him personaly, the worst things that can happen would be what happened to Jack (ended up in a StarShip Cock Tail Bar but the Doctor found him a friend at least) or Donna who had to forget the Doctor and every where and anything they ever did (though her and her family did end up winning the lottery). Back to the subject, they are never going to kill any of the Doctor's close personal friends Rory will return for Definite.

Companions from the older series were killed off. User:Solar Dragon/Signature 22:08, June 5, 2010 (UTC)

We won't have a clue until the finale, Moffat's evil like that ~Coolio~

True Rory is reappearing in both of the finale episodes but you cant call him dead The mysterious 20:42, June 11, 2010 (UTC)

Rory Pond

Would it be too confusing to rename him Rory Pond now? (It's hinted it might be changed that way around in The Big Bang.) BlueDalek 17:28, July 5, 2010 (UTC)

Well, considering he was called Mr Pond in jest, theres no point to rename him Rory Pond. It was meant as a figurative point, because Amy was the dominant one in the relationship, hence Rory Pond instead of Amy Williams. - I. Am. Excalibur-117-^{(talk • contribs)} 17:36, July 5, 2010 (UTC)

I think it should be renamed Rory Pond because the Doctor refers to them as "Mr. and Mrs. Pond" and Rory accepts that that is his name. In Death of the Doctor, the Doctor also refers to them as Amy and Rory Pond. I'm A Hydroponic Tomato! Bigredrabbit (talk to me) 02:22, December 31, 2010 (UTC)

Rhys and Rory Related

I was just thinking, it would be a cool Torchwood connection if Rhys Williams and Rory Williams were related, cousins or something. There is also a parallel between Gwen Cooper(who even after the wedding refused to be called Williams) and Amy Pond(Not Williams either).Invictus152 02:41, July 6, 2010 (UTC)

Eh, it's a common last name. They might make something of it, but I doubt it. 67.176.86.161 21:10, July 7, 2010 (UTC)

Well, last names don't often mean relation in the Whoniverse: look at "Jones" and "Smith". 72.38.57.156 00:31, July 26, 2010 (UTC)

Timeframe of the introductory sentence

Not sure why I can't edit the page myself - being registered and logged in and all - but I'd like the introductory sentence changed to make the timeframe more clear. (Yes, I'm a pedantic perfectionist.)

Rory Williams was the husband (formerly a "sort of" boyfriend, and later fiancée) of Amy Pond who became a companion of the Eleventh Doctor but later died and was removed from time after being absorbed by the Time Field. Following the "Big Bang 2" he was restored to time, marrying Amy and continuing to travel with her and the Doctor.

Not to mention that fiancée is the feminine form. If we change it to this:

Rory Williams was the fiancé (previously a "sort of" boyfriend, and eventually husband) of Amy Pond. He became a companion of the Eleventh Doctor, but later died and was removed from time after being absorbed by the Time Field. Following the "Big Bang 2" he was restored to the timeline, marrying Amy and continuing to travel with her and the Doctor.

I think this would make it a tiny bit more consistent with the fact that at the time he joined the Doctor he was her fiancé, before that he was her boyfriend, and later he was her husband. And that he became a companion, as well as Amy (the sentence could currently be read as saying Amy was the companion who died and was removed from time).

TL;DR: My editing fingers are itching and I can't figure out why I don't get access to semi-protected articles yet, despite registering, making a couple dozen edits and clearing my cache :P And I'd like to make a pedantic edit for clarity. the angel Jean - Smith's little elf 03:30, July 15, 2010 (UTC)

• I'll make the edit for you. You can't edit the semi-protected pages until you've been registered for a while. The Thirteenth Doctor 11:55, July 15, 2010 (UTC)

Time Rory guards Pandorica

Rory doesn't guard the Pandorica for over 2000 years, it was 1908 years to be specific. So just saying almost 2000 years would be better.Maggie.deans 08:23, February 9, 2011 (UTC)

Whats with them keep downplaying him?

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