Talk:TV21

DC to TV21

Most prefixes for magazines or comics material on this wiki use either an abbreviation for the title (TVA, TVC, DWM, TM, IHP, DWC, DWCC, RT etc.) or rarely a publisher (IDW) which mirrors audios or direct-to-video releases (BBV, KC, BFA, RP) TV 21 was an in-house abbreviation for TV Century 21 from its very first issue, long before it was officially changed.

Most of the time this is in part because the series name was Doctor Who or there were multiple series. In this case the series was The Daleks. To keep the prefix simple in explaining what it is and isn't, it would be easier if I didn't have to write:

Dalek Chronicles is not to be used for anything that actually carried the words "Dalek Chronicles" on its original printing, particularly things that predated and introduced characters and concepts that appeared in the TV21 comic. It only refers to The Daleks as published in TV Century 21, not to any Doctor Who Magazine continuations of the series.

--Nyktimos 04:11, March 5, 2010 (UTC)

Whoa. We gotta think about this one. You've spread this message around in various places and I don't really get it. There's no such thing as a "DWM continuation" of the TV21 stuff; they only reprinted the stuff from the 1960s. The reason the DC prefix stood as an "oddity" amongst comic prefixes is that it is one. There's no DWU material in TV21 aside from what later became known as DC, and it's the Marvel UK name that's "stuck" amongst most fans. Put more simply, TV21 is indivisible from DC. All you've done is trade one initialism for another. Not sure why you bothered with the work.

Your rationale of using what was at best a Souvenir Press subtitle as a basis for continuing to use the DC prefix for some stuff published in the 1960s is, I think, highly confusing. Moreover, it's bogus. None of that Souvenir stuff should be given the DC prefix. It makes no sense to label anything DC based upon the — at this point, 40+ years after the fact — rumored content of The Curse of the Daleks, which incidentally included Souvenir's editor as a producer. I can't even wrap my mind around how shaky that is. It's like saying I'm gonna call this thing a "tigotohopper" because a merchandiser who made toys during series 1 happened to be the editor of a semi-official reference book in 2001 — and he said that they were trigotohoppers.

Besides, I'm not personally of the opinion that stage plays are valid references according to our canon policy, because it's not a recorded medium. There's no no guaranteeing what actually appeared on stage, unless you were physically present at the performance. Even then, it's all hearsay, not verifiable content. For all we know, references to "based on the Dalek Chronicles discovered and translated by Terry Nation" only appeared in the script or on advertising, and didn't actually appear in the performance itself — even if it was a line of dialogue in a script that we may have gotten our hands on.

Personally, I would never have made this move. But since you've already made the switch, I'd suggest DC be deleted. If wikipedia:Detective Comics ever get a portion of the DW comics license, then we can resurrect it. CzechOut ☎ | ✍ 20:50, March 5, 2010 (UTC)

"None of that Souvenir stuff should be given the DC prefix."
Agreed, because I never suggested any such thing.

DWM continuation - a one page an issue comic with art by Ron Turner. That's about the same layout, about the same logo, exactly the same format and title. [1] DWM didn't come to him, his agent came to them. This followed The Cybermen a one page an issue comic. DWM knew exactly what they were doing.

DWM Issue 33 - if you look at the cover and the table of contents you would think the series was called The Dalek Saga and the first part "The Beginning". At this point they were making slightly more significant (but not by much) edits to "The Dalek Tapes" than Polystyle or World Distributors did before them. What did the most recent reprints look like? What were other reprinted series called at the time? If they were spending so much time cleaning up the strips, did they actually remove the title panels with the original artwork from the pages? Where did it say "The Dalek Chronicles": the Table of Contents, the outside of the comic page, or where it said "The Daleks"?

I know its convenient to make this metafictional concept more specific to one Dalek spinoff series but where else do people call it this?: the compilers of AHistory (no), the Doctor Who Reference Guide (no, although that's barren and a little inaccurate), the editors on Wikipedia (no, also note where Return of the Elders is too - first time I've seen that), Altered Vistas (no, although their videos do), John Peel (I can't remember now but he authoritatively stated that Chris Achilleos was the artist on the series - why is a whole other story) ... --Nyktimos 06:00, March 6, 2010 (UTC)