Talk:William Abberton

Question

I have been editing this page, but find myself baffled by this passage:

Nimrod encountered the Doctor again in late 2004, while aggressively acquiring a Huldran spacecraft, he also initiated Project Lazarus: an attempt to replicate his regenerations.

This looks like at least two sentences stuck together with commas, I have no idea how someone acquires something "aggressively" and while I am fairly confident the last pronoun refers to the Doctor, the superfluitie of "he" and "his" is poorly phrased. I hesitate to take this sentence apart for fear I could destroy its meaning. Will someone who is familiar with the relevant work -- presumably Project Lazarus do something to fix this sentence, if only to send me a note at [email protected] to explain its sense?

Bob

Not a valid source

I removed the following from the article:

The Forge's beta facility was bought online soon after by Nimrod and he was the only known senior officer left alive. Torchwood Three knew that Nimrod was still running the Forge through 2009. (REF: The Torchwood Archives)

The Torchwood Archives is not a valid source for in universe articles, as its page states clearly at the top. Shambala108 ☎ 03:18, March 24, 2015 (UTC)

Photo

I don't understand how an obscure comic picture can be favoured over the audio cover one simply because the character is looking to the left. RadMatter ☎ 02:19, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Unfortunately, that's the rule. But I completely agree that the audio cover image is far better for the infobox and propose that we use it instead. Jack "BtR" Saxon ☎ 09:33, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Can someone explain what is so important about looking to the left? I don't understand why it is a rule. RadMatter ☎ 11:13, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

I believe the given reason is to subtly draw the reader's attention to the article, which does seem very anecdotal. I don't agree with it myself but I don't see it being changed until/if the forums return. Jack "BtR" Saxon ☎ 11:41, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Right, firstly, how "obscure" something is doesn't matter; keep in mind Tardis:Neutral point of view.

Secondly, it's not that this image is being "favoured" simply because Abberton is looking left. That is simply a contributing factor to why this image should be used instead of one from an audio cover.

Additionally, images for infoboxes tend not to be ones where the character is looking into the camera, which File:Nimrod 3.jpg is. It tends to break the "in-universeness" of the image. So, an offending image should not be used.

With images, audio covers can be used for infobox images if that character's primary medium is the audio format; however, I don't believe that is the case here.

This is also why Bernice Summerfield's infobox image can't be from the cover of an audio story, as she is equally a prose character.

Abberton has appeared three times in audio stories, twice in prose (three if you count his presence in PROSE: Project Wildthyme), and three times in comics. Simply put, Abberton has appeared in comics just as many times as he has in audio stories, so the audio format is not his primary medium, the way I see it.

Additionally, with audio covers, the design of the character often falls to the cover artist, but with the comic, it is decided by the writers, so his appearance in the comics is probably the closest to how the writers want him to be depicted. Not that this is technically a viable reason in of itself to favour an image, but I feel it ought to be kept in mind.

Finally, when something is being discussed, you are not allowed to change anything unless ruled by an admin. Also, given that the policies are in favour of the image from the comic, and typically goes against images taken from audio story covers that look into the camera, T:BOUND applies, even if you disagree with that policy.

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19:20, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

That's all entirely true, but there are exceptions to every rule. In this case, the choice is between two images with broadly the same character design but one is a lower quality, blurred image of Abberton that isn't especially detailed whilst the other is better quality and more detailed. Per the rules, the in-universe image should be used but I suggest that the audio cover is simply a better image. Jack "BtR" Saxon ☎ 19:30, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

In regards to accusations that I broke policy by reverting the image, the policy is that the page should remain the same as when the discussion began which was with the original Nimrod picture. It was the new image that was being challenged. Also, only an admin should really be using bold to make their point. RadMatter ☎ 19:34, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello, all! First off, let's try and keep things polite and civil on all sides. Not saying anyone's broken policy here, but I think the tone's getting a little heated. Now, as to the matter at hand…

I think perhaps the "primary medium" issue has become a bit of a red herring. Having looked at both images, the thing is that the comic image has Abberton looking to our left, while the audio picture has him looking straight-ahead. So without wading into the question of medium, that's a big reason to favour the comic for the infobox image as per our infobox image polices. There's always gray area with regards to the "primary medium" business, but the looking-left requirement, if it can be fulfilled, is a very straightforward, tried-and-true policy.

That being said, the page is long enough that we can and probably should include the audio picture as a thumbnail within the page, in addition to the infobox image. Scrooge MacDuck ⊕ 19:36, 16 February 2022 (UTC)