User:SOTO/Forum Archive/Inclusion debates/@comment-183721-20140901212040/@comment-188432-20140902151342

I'm not entirely sure what you're arguing for, because you seem to agree that The Gift does not include BBC Wales Doctors. So if you agree that the story doesn't include the BBC Wales Doctors, you seem to be only arguing over means, not ends. So I think, if I'm understanding you correctly, this is just an academic problem you have with the earlier ruling.

Problem is that people will assume that the phrase "all of me" refers to, well, all of him, so a ruling upon what all means is necessary.

Thus it's perfectly easy and straightforward to say that Big Finish have no license for BBC Wales Doctors, and that they are not a valid source for any of these Doctors. It's a perfectly straightforward reading of our four little rules, which is why that thread was closed upon creation. Quite obviously, in order for something to be valid here, it must be properly licensed.

As for The Kingmaker — one of my very favourite audios — I would say that the continuity reference in the article is way, way over-confident when it cites Rose. There's nothing in Rose which at all references The Kingmaker. No matter how carefully you look at the pictures in Clive's shed, you won't find anything to suggest a trip to near-Tudor England. The line is meant as a throwaway, tongue-in-cheek nod to the new series, if you want to read it that way. It's by no means definitely saying, "Hey, the Ninth Doctor was here." It would be wildly inappropriate to definitively say that one of the characters in this story was the Ninth Doctor, though it's okay to call it a "sly reference" or something along those lines.