User:SOTO/Forum Archive/Inclusion debates/@comment-79.68.246.214-20131114171340/@comment-4139960-20141011211615

Well, we know that Eleven explicitly said in dialogue that he slept in there, and Ten and Twelve stated they were dads, Ten mentions he had a brother, Eight describes a father, and the Master describes his own father. We can't just make speculatory remarks like that and "fix" them with "ideas" that some person on the Internet "deals with". Doctor Who has a messy continuity and has done since about the 60s or 70s. For the most part we can't reconcile everything with everything else.

Sorry, but this isn't that kind of forum. We're an encyclopedia. We say the facts based on what exactly the stories give, and we don't give credence to hierarchy of "canon", or for that matter, define a Doctor Who canon.

T:NPOV: "Most imortantly, base your edits on the facts present in valid sources. Ignore your own opinions — and those of fan websites. [...] One of the most important aspects of this wiki is that all media have equal weight here. Television is not the most important source of information on this wiki. That which is said in a short story in Doctor Who Annual 1967 is just as valid as the latest episode of BBC Wales Doctor Who."

T:IU: "Use only valid sources — which is to say narratives — to write your article. [...] All narratives, regardless of medium, have equal weight. Whether it's a comic strip, audio, novel or television story, it's all equally valid here."

T:CAN: "In-universe articles are those written about the narrative elements of the DWU — articles like Amy Pond, ambulance and Andromedan. The only valid sources for these articles are stories."

T:CITE DEF: "Some good questions to ask yourself include:

• Am I going off my own research into the story?
• If asked — and given a few minutes, cause me memory's goin' — could I definitely point to a page, episode or time code when the event I'm citing happened within the story?
• Could I insert a direct quotation from the story into my sentence?

If the answer to any of these questions is "no", you're probably not on terribly solid ground."

T:CITE: "Telling readers where a statement can be verified is important. It helps to focus articles and keeps the details in an article to only that which actually appeared in the various Doctor Who narratives."

T:VS: "1. Only stories count."