User:SOTO/Forum Archive/The Panopticon/@comment-121.45.54.78-20130925110520/@comment-188432-20140226194046

OttselSpy25 wrote:

CzechOut wrote:

• Archival footage has been re-contextualised to be more than a simple memory of the past. Flashbacks to previous Doctors seen in Day of the Daleks doesn't count, whereas eleven previous Doctors do appear in The Name of the Doctor. Why? because Clara, a character from the current production, is shown to be interacting with the old footage, such that a new meaning for the old footage emerges.

This seems like a description that is hardly clear - just a moment ago you were arguing that Rose, Donna, and Martha in LKH shouldn't be included, yet by this description, they should; as they interacted with 11 in a way.

Rose, Donna and Martha don't appear at all in LKH. All that's happening in that scene is that the Tardis is throwing up possible holographic interfaces. Those interfaces are the TARDIS; they aren't Rose and company. And again, the proposed rule would require motion. Those are still images, which would never be allowed to count as an appearance.

This also qualifies for the death scene in Logopolis, as the companions seem to be talking to the Doctor.

That is an interesting interpretation of the scene which I've never heard advanced before. I think you may be retroactively applying what happens in the similar Caves scene to what's happening in Logopolis. In Caves, they're definitely talking to him, something confirmed and expounded upon by another work, Winter. One of the easiest ways to note this difference is to observe that in Caves, the "swirling figures" are looking right into camera, which is Graeme Harper's cue to the audience that they're talking to the Doctor. In Logopolis they're never talking to camera; the archive footage is just snipped from wherever in the scene they happen to say, "Doctor". Logopolis is a straight up, wholly conventional flashback: his life literally flashing before his eyes.