User:SOTO/Forum Archive/The Panopticon/@comment-1783865-20200302103744/@comment-6032121-20200315231133

@HarveyWallbanger:

That's a fair observation, but note that by some accounts (and original authorial intent as well) the Valeyard is just a future, undated Doctor, not a manifestation/clone like the Watcher or the Meta-Crisis. T:NPOV would then force us to list him in both places, which is awkward.

"Undated" is also not the best title because even if we do get specific numberings on the pre-Hartnell Doctors of the Timeless Child breed… well, the problem will remain that they, as a whole, are one big old "According to one account" in terms of whether they even exist. The problem isn't (just) that they're undated, but that a number of perfectly valid accounts say they don't exist.

@Danniesen:

What do you mean by "the even stranger ones"? I am of the opinion that what we need, separate from Template:Doctors, is a more exhaustive navbox to go at the end of articles. I do wish we could have a template with the Silver Doctor, the Father of Time and the the Cabinet Doctor, but that doesn't really belong right below the infobox of one of our most-viewed pages. The navbox is really its own proposal, though, and only marginally connected to The Timeless Children, so let's save it for its own thread.