User talk:DENCH-and-PALMER/Archive 1

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NOTVALID appearances

Hey! I deleted the "list of NOTVALID appearances" pages you created. First of all, a change like that should be brought up on Board:The Panopticon first. But also, I think those lists miss the point of the NOTVALID prefix. Does the Master really appear in The Curse of Fatal Death? No, a parody of him does. Does the Second Doctor appear in Devious? No more than in any fanfiction. There's a reason some sources are valid and some aren't, and those lists undermine that. I hope that makes sense. P&P talk contribs 00:57, December 17, 2015 (UTC)

Oh Ok, I understand, maybe we should have a list of NOT VALID things, so people like myself can see what is NOT VALID in this wiki?

Moving pages

Howdy! Thanks for trying to help by moving pages, but it's important that you please stop immediately. The parenthetical expressions after titles have been worked out after years of discussion and agreement amongst our members. They're also deeply embedded into several templates, and you can't just make up your own phrases like (Home Video). It'll cause quite a bit of chaos at several unexpected points around the wiki.

For the time being, please immediately stop moving pages. This doesn't mean that we don't want your contributions — of course we need you! — but just stop this one thing for the time being. Thanks :)

Oh, and you might find these pages helpful: T:DAB, T:DAB TERM, T:DAB STORY. IF you have any questions, don't hesitate to get in touch!
czechout<staff /> ☎ ✍  03:54: Fri 18 Dec 2015

Thanks for the comments and I will stop, sorry for the inconvenience.

Categories

Hi there. Please can you stop making categories grouping together "colours" or "with the word invasion". They simply don't serve a purpose on the wiki. Categories should be relevant to Doctor Who itself, grouping together themes seen within the show itself. Thanks. --Revan\Talk 21:00, December 22, 2015 (UTC)

Will do, sorry.

Sorry

That's alright, everyone makes mistakes. No one was made upset by this, so there's no need to feel bad. The only reason I gave you the short block just to stop you adding categories as Revan and I were removing them, and it was not a punishment or anything. I hope that this doesn't stop you from editing with us, as we are always glad of more contributors. :)

I didn't see your message from before, but I'll answer it now. We don't have a list of all NOTVALID content, but we do instead have a list of things that are allowed: Tardis:Valid sources/Detailed list. I think it would be difficult to maintain a list of things that aren't valid, because the things that aren't valid greatly outnumbers those which are: trailers, fanfiction, charity anthologies, reference books, parodies, etc.

One last thing: you should always sign your posts on talk pages. Just put four tildes after your message, like so: ~~~~ P&P talk contribs 22:52, December 22, 2015 (UTC)

Don't worry :)

Hey. Dench. Can I call you Dench? It's clear that you're eager, and it's clear that you want to help. And that's great! Really, it is. You've shown you're perfectly willing to put a bit of work into your own projects, and you've been experimenting a lot with things like categories and page moving. You're feeling around, trying out your own ideas and applying them to the structures we have here.

I just want to say, there's nothing wrong with learning. Every one of us more experienced users can remember a time when we were just starting out, and messing up a tonne. And that's okay. As a new editor, I misunderstood some policies, apparently didn't have the greatest of discussion habits judging by my talk page archives, and got a page deleted which I had spent a lot of time on. My first edit as an IP editor was an attempt to change all the instances of '' on the Snowmen page, I believe, into ", because I didn't realise those double apostrophes made those episode titles italicised, and I didn't know they were meant to be italicised. I also spent a really long time designing a new Tardis wordmark back when we were looking into new ones, and only later found out about the required dimensions. (Then I spent a bit more time on it and ended up with the image you see in large in my user page.) My point is that we all start out on the wiki not knowing what the hell we're doing. And that's perfectly okay.

I can only say, as someone that's been through it, that you shouldn't be afraid to ask us admin questions before setting out on any new missions. I think your enthusiasm is great, and you may prove a great help in the future. Don't be embarrassed to ask first if you're not sure; we'll always give you the information you need, and may save you a lot of work by explaining why your proposed category fails T:CAT NAME, or why that story isn't valid per T:VS. And maybe even by offering up my bot services because you've made a really good suggestion; who knows? But hey, if you mess up, that's what we're here for. That's how you'll get better. We'll link you to the policies, or explain what you're doing wrong, and you'll learn from it.

Don't be afraid of the purple links! :P When you see you have a hypercube, assume we're looking out for the best interests of the wiki and of you as an editor, and allow us to guide your energies so they're spent in the most productive ways possible. Nobody's upset that you tried out some category ideas. You experimented, you learned, you found out what you were doing wrong. You listened. That, in my eyes, is a great start.

If you stick around, and listen when we explain how things work around here, before you know it all these things will become second-nature to you. I hope to see you grow as an editor throughout 2016; I wish you luck. :)
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 05:26, December 23, 2015 (UTC)

Thanks SOTO, I shall keep editing if you wish me too. DENCH-and-PALMER ☎ 09:47, December 23, 2015 (UTC)

You know you should really respond on my talk page. :)

If you click on my talk button, next to my name, and leave me a message there, I'll get a notification telling me to read your message. Nice post-signing, though! ;)

(Also, keep editing because you want to. This is a community, made of of editors. Find some things you enjoy working on, and have fun doing it!)
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 13:01, December 23, 2015 (UTC)

T:BOLD / T:LEADS / etc

Oh yeah, almost forgot why I came here. T:BOLD / T:LEADS. when you create a new article, the lead—that is, the first sentence, which typically gives the most important or central piece(s) of information—it should contain the name of the topic (usually the name of the article, with some obvious exceptions) in bold (bold).

Bold :P

Before I go into it all, I just want to say that there are standard preloads you can choose from the sidebar, if you want start your article on VisualEditor. You choose one from the list, and it gives you a template for most things you need. An infobox if you need it, {{real world}} at the top when it's necessary, etc. Use what you need, and remove as needed. Great way to get used to things, instead of starting from scratch every time. Especially if you're starting an article about a crew/cast member, you'll want that. It gives you a whole external links section too with IMDb. (If you can't find the person on IMDb, just remove the template.)

Okay, here we go. I'll just make you a lil table of the starts of your articles, and what maybe they could have been instead on the first go.

What you started with	This might be better	Why :)
Some unknown alien humanoids lived in this Galaxy on the planet Proxima Centauri. (COMIC: Ride to Nowhere)	Proxima Centauri was located in the Crab Galaxy. (COMIC: Ride to Nowhere) The Crab Galaxy was a galaxy which included in it the planet Proxima Centauri. (COMIC: Ride to Nowhere)	"PAGENAME was..." is a fairly standard article start. Personally, I think my first retry was a better sentence. Never "this [something]", even if it's bolded; always state the name if possible. If it's not possible to state the name, always go for "a [something]" rather than "this [something]" Subject (Crab Galaxy) bolded, per T:BOLD Proxima Centauri linked to; T:WIKIFY Some unknown alien humanoids doesn't say much; if you want to link to the species, by all means add something about them back Italicise story titles—all story titles, except Hartnell episodes Nice category, though!
Kate Millest played Elska Blayes in the stage play Storm Mine.	{{real world}} Kate Millest played Elska Blayes in the stage play Storm Mine. {{stage play stub}} {{NameSort}} Category:Doctor Who stage play actors	If it's a real world article, {{real world}} goes at the top. Always. Clear lead, but the subject needs to be in bold here too. All stories italicised, like I said. Pay attention to what story you're linking to. This may be our fault for Storm Mine redirecting to the audio story, but if you see more than one option pop up as your typing, make sure you're linking to the right one. Click on the link, even, to make sure it goes to the right place. I personally like to always link to the dabbed name just to make sure. ''[[Storm Mine (stage play)|]]'' will give you exactly the result you need: Storm Mine. It's a stub. {{stage play stub}} is the closest stub template for this page. {{NameSort}}. Super important. Anyone with a name needs NameSort, or it won't list them as LastName, FirstName in the categories. If the article has a title "The [Something]", you'll want {{TitleSort}}. Categories. If you can't find the category you need by exploring through the category tree, try finding another article on a similar topic. Maybe you'd find your way to Morag Peackock and see he's in the Doctor Who stage play actors category. That's the one you need.
Harry Carruthers assisted the Tenth Doctor and Martha Jones in finding out where Arthur Conan Doyle found a mysterious object believed to be "supernatural".	Harry Carruthers assisted the Tenth Doctor and Martha Jones in discovering where Arthur Conan Doyle found a mysterious object believed to be "supernatural". (PROSE: Revenge of the Judoon) {{character stub}} {{NameSort}} Category:19th century individuals	Nice linkage with this one Again, bold Give your source, and italicise the story name when you do. Stub {{NameSort}}. Very important, and also very hard to miss. Not the best of categories, but it's something, at least. You need something. If you can't find any categories to put an article in, approach one of us, and we'll either find it for you, or figure out what new category we need if there seriously is nothing.
A Time cannon once hit the Doctor's TARDIS whilst the Sixth Doctor and Frobisher were aboard. (COMIC: Time Bomb)	A time cannon once hit the Doctor's TARDIS whilst the Sixth Doctor and Frobisher were aboard. (COMIC: Time Bomb)	You're getting better! Bold Why did you capitalise Time? Both words are not capitalised. The Doctor's TARDIS is the proper link to...the Doctor's TARDIS. Please do not ever link to TARDIS or Tardis or anything like that when you mean, more specifically, the Doctor's TARDIS. Link to the Doctor's TARDIS and not TARDIS when you say "his TARDIS". Link to it when you say "the TARDIS" (the TARDIS is a redirect, and that is fine as well). Just use the whole name, and link to the right one. Now you know.
WHO1 was Bessie's original number plate. (TV: Doctor Who and the Silurians to TV: Robot, TV: The Five Doctors) It was later changed to WHO7. (TV: Battlefield) == BEHIND THE Scenes == WHO1 number plate was originally taken so it could only be used on private grounds.	WHO 1 was Bessie's original number plate. (TV: Doctor Who and the Silurians-Robot, The Five Doctors) It was later changed to WHO 7, (TV: Battlefield) and then, further, to WHO 8. (PROSE: The Dying Days) The yellow roadster's plate again read WHO 1 after the Eleventh Doctor transformed it into a monster truck. (COMIC: What He Wants...) == Behind the scenes == The WHO 1 number plate was originally taken, so it could only be used on private grounds, and never on the road.	Bold Italics No need to say TV every time if it's the same type within the same brackets Please only capitalise the first letter of Behind the scenes I clarified that last sentence because it was a bit misleading. I had to make two new categories for these two, so I can understand the struggle. Again, though, come to me (or any other admin that's around). You're responsible to make sure there's a category slapped on there eventually. I did enrich it a tiny bit, but that's not necessary as a starting point
WHO7 was Bessie's second number plate. (TV: Battlefield)	WHO 7 was Bessie's second number plate, (TV: Battlefield) after WHO 1. (TV: Doctor Who and the Silurians-Robot, The Five Doctors) WHO 7 was in use by the Seventh Doctor's encounter with Morgaine. (TV: Battlefield) The yellow roadster's number was changed yet again by the time of the Eighth Doctor. (PROSE: The Dying Days)
Professor McTurk bred Metal-Eating Insects with his daughter Catriona. (COMIC: The Metal-Eaters)	Professor McTurk was a scientist who bred metal-eating insects with his daughter, Catriona. (COMIC: The Metal-Eaters) {{character stub}} {{NameSort}}	Bold Try to say something about the subject in the lead and not just how they relate to other things, if possible In general, names that have capitals at the front of every word tend to be wrong. If a story specifically writes it like that, that's how it is; but otherwise, unless there's a proper noun in there, lower case. Minor punctuation issue Italicise story titles Stub NameSort even if not needed He has a daughter, so category:Human parents is always a nice one to add =)
Catriona McTurk was the daughter of Professor McTurk, she helped him breed Metal-Eating Insects. (COMIC: The Metal-Eaters)	Catriona McTurk was the daughter of Professor McTurk. She helped him breed metal-eating insects. (COMIC: The Metal-Eaters) {{character stub}} {{NameSort}}	If you know her last name, use it in the title. Bold Grammar Again with the "Metal-Eating Insects": lower case, please Italics Stub You must add a category—I'll try to think of one to help you out
Metal-Eating Insects were bred by Professor McTurk and his daughter Catriona. (COMIC: The Metal-Eaters)	Professor McTurk bred metal-eating insects with his daughter, Catriona. (COMIC: The Metal-Eaters) {{species stub}} Category:Insectoid species	Lower case, please, just like the link is on the story page Bold Italics Definitely a stub You need a category. So Category:Insectoid species, please.
The Thusions were a species, they once went into suspended animation. (COMIC: The Wanderers)	The Thusions' were a species that once went into suspended animation. (COMIC: The Wanderers) Category:Species The Thusions once went into suspended animation. (COMIC: The Wanderers) Category:Species	You know the drill at this point

So in review, some important things to remember:

1. There are preloads. They give you the things you need. Use them when in any sort of doubt. I don't think they appear in VisualEditor, so try to create your articles in the more sourcy editor for now.
2. In the lead, pin-point where the subject is, and bolden it. If you can't pinpoint where the subject is, you're doing it wrong.
3. If it's a real world (not in-universe) article, add {{real world}} to the top, always.
4. Link. A lot. We want people clicking, finding out more!
5. Don't forget to add all your sources. (Story titles always italicised.)
6. {{NameSort}} when it's a name; {{TitleSort}} when it's a title and starts with "The".
7. Don't forget categories. Very important. If you're not sure where it should go, do some exploring. Just be wise with categories in general. But every page needs to have one valid category. Policy states, within one hour of page creation.
   × SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 15:22, December 23, 2015 (UTC)

Can you please show you understand by updating the pages which you've created, to the extent that I went into above? I hope you understand things a little better now. :)
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 15:24, December 23, 2015 (UTC)

Thanks SOTO =D, you're very kind for helping me =D. I'll take it all into account. DENCH-and-PALMER ☎ 15:30, December 23, 2015 (UTC) DENCH-and-PALMER

You're welcome! Come to my talk page if you need anything.
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 18:14, December 23, 2015 (UTC)

Just a couple of policies

Hey. Can you just have quick browse through Tardis:Italics and Tardis:Don't over-wikify? Thanks.--Skittles the hog - talk 21:41, December 25, 2015 (UTC)

I wasn't aware of this, I shall add italics every time I add a title =D, sorry for the inconvenience Skittles. DENCH-and-PALMER ☎ 21:44, December 25, 2015 (UTC)DENCH-and-PALMER

There is a category - category:policies - where you can find all the tenets (or nearly all) of the wiki. Obviously you can't spend a day reading through them all, but if you ever wonder why an edit is reversed or if you want to know how to go about something, you may find your answer there. Besides that, it might be a good idea to just look at the source code of a few articles just to see how it's done. You're probably sure-footed if you emulate what's gone before. Hope this helps.--Skittles the hog - talk 21:48, December 25, 2015 (UTC)

Images

Hi. I deleted the image you uploaded for a few reasons. Most importantly, there was no license. Every uploaded image has to have a copyright license, which you can choose in the drop-down on the upload page. Just choose the option that best describes the source of the image.

This is really important. Any image without a license will be deleted.

Also, the filename should be descriptive of the image, like "River Gifted her Sonic Screwdriver.jpg". Lastly, its preferred that images have a widescreen aspect ratio, i.e. be wider than they are tall. If you ever want to quickly check the rules, you can see our image policy cheat card at Help:Image cheat card. Thank you! P&P talk contribs 01:45, December 26, 2015 (UTC)

Ok, sorry about that, I'll remember for next time =) DENCH-and-PALMER ☎ 10:39, December 26, 2015 (UTC)DENCH-and-PALMER

Category mistake

I've already done it. Thanks for the heads-up.--Skittles the hog - talk 13:37, December 26, 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for understanding DENCH-and-PALMER ☎ 13:38, December 26, 2015 (UTC)DENCH-and-PALMER

NameSort

What do you mean? Could you give a specific example? Anything that has a first and last name absolutely needs {{NameSort}}.
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 21:44, December 26, 2015 (UTC)

Oh, that's okay then, I thought you only did it to in universe articles, it's okay thanks SOTO =D. DENCH-and-PALMER ☎ 21:46, December 26, 2015 (UTC)

We're proud of you so far! (from the admin team)

Hey, Denchen! SOTO here, on behalf of the admin team.

You've been showing great improvement with your articles, and we wanted to let you know that we're proud of how quickly you've learned and adapted! Great work, honestly, on improving your wiki skills. Congratulations! We do hope you stick around with us. We're always be here for support, and to tell you if you're ever doing something horribly wrong. But that's how you learn, and I trust that you will! Just take in what we say, and keep on learning.

For example: category:Stunt Doubles for the Doctor. We only capitalise the first word (well, that's automatic) and any proper nouns within. That should be category:Stunt doubles for the Doctor, and category:Doctor Who stunt performers absolutely should not be within it, because that's recursion. Don't take this to mean you're reached your peak. You still have learning to do, and we'll be here to help you along that path, watch your edits and correct you when you get something wrong.

But here, you can have a slice of your 2000 cake a thousand edits early, in celebration of your recent improvement. Can't wait for the next thousand great edits until you get to edit 2000! =)

× SOTO (☎/✍/↯)
P&P talk contribs
Skittles the hog - talk
02:18, December 29, 2015 (UTC)
Admins: feel free to leave your signatures above

Thanks Guys, and I will take on board the capital letters, thanks for the help, you're all very kind =D DENCH-and-PALMER ☎ 10:45, December 29, 2015 (UTC)

Kate Stewart

Hey. When you have time, can you recreate Category:Kate Stewart Stories as category:Kate Stewart stories and place it in category:Stories by featured characters. Just keep an eye on capitalisation. Thanks.--Skittles the hog - talk 18:47, December 30, 2015 (UTC)

Will do it straight way Skittles, sorry for any inconvenience. DENCH-and-PALMER ☎ 18:53, December 30, 2015 (UTC)

Just a quick one, how do you remove the categories? DENCH-and-PALMER ☎ 18:56, December 30, 2015 (UTC)

Oh, I didn't notice this until now, but I see SOTO has already answered your question below. You should reply on the other person's talk page, by the way, so they're notified of the message.--Skittles the hog - talk 12:38, December 31, 2015 (UTC)

Oh yeah, I took care of that category move without even noticing this message here. I've got a bot; always come to me, guys. :)
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 13:41, December 31, 2015 (UTC)

Redundant categories

Best to just ask an admin, rather than acting on it without discussion. Maybe add a {{delete}} tag as well, so it can be discussed. Never remove a category manually without any discussion. That category may not be redundant.

Best to ask me specifically, in fact, because I have a bot, and I can remove categories much more easily than anyone on this wiki but user:CzechOut. What category do you feel is redundant? If you're referring to category:Individual Zygons, that is not redundant. category:Zygons is not a category for individuals, but rather information related to Zygons, much like category:Time Lords. Any pages about individuals do not in fact belong there and should be moved to the individuals category.
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 02:04, December 31, 2015 (UTC)

Ok, thanks Soto =D DENCH-and-PALMER ☎ 10:40, December 31, 2015 (UTC)

Images

Hi! Please remember to always put the appropriate license on images you upload. Just pick from the drop-down. Also, for comic strip images, try to either include the whole speech bubble or crop it all the way out. See our guide to images for some tips on how to get the best possible comic images. Thanks! P&P talk contribs 00:09, January 1, 2016 (UTC)

Hi

Thanks for letting me know. The editor has been blocked. P&P talk contribs 16:53, January 2, 2016 (UTC)

Happy to Help =D DENCH-and-PALMER ☎ 19:13, January 2, 2016 (UTC)

Silver Doctor

I have explained why I think that there is no information how the Silver Doctor looks on the talk page of the article. I may, of course, be wrong. If I am, however, I would appreciate it if you could prove me wrong by providing a quote from the text confirming that the Silver Doctor looks like the Eighth Doctor, not simply called like him. As I mentioned on the talk page, the Silver Doctor does sound like a Doctor, but "look-alike" is explicitly appearance-based, not voice-based. I also propose not to change the page until we reach a consensus on the topic or are both overruled by an admin. Let's nip any hint of edit wars in the bud. ;) Looking forward to hearing your opinion on the topic (and congratulations on the 2000 cake). Amorkuz ☎ 21:36, January 2, 2016 (UTC)

Oh, sorry pal wasn't aware of this. Though I agree with you, how about a category for those that sound like the Doctor? =D DENCH-and-PALMER ☎ 21:39, January 2, 2016 (UTC)

I actually thought about it myself. But I am not brave enough to create categories. I wouldn't at all mind it created. And that's a fitting description of the Silver Doctor. Amorkuz ☎ 21:42, January 2, 2016 (UTC)

Would you mind if I created it? I know there are other Sound alikes of the Doctor =D DENCH-and-PALMER ☎ 21:44, January 2, 2016 (UTC)

I think you should bring this one up in the forums if you really think you have a case for such a category. I think it would fail T:CAT NAME, though. People will use it for any characters voiced by a Doctor actor, rather than for characters explicitly intended to sound like him. And how could you prove that? I'd like to see some of your examples. Remember, there need to be at least 3 pages in a category, and the category name needs to be clear.
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 00:04, January 3, 2016 (UTC)

Master pic

Absolutely! My only question is, what is the source of the picture? I thought The Sixth Doctor: The Last Adventure didn't have individual episode covers. P&P talk contribs 21:24, January 3, 2016 (UTC)

That's alright. Landscape is strongly preferred, but it can be tricky to achieve with audio images, and the picture won't be in the infobox. Just get as close as you can. P&P talk contribs 21:57, January 3, 2016 (UTC)

Lego Dimensions image

It's not necessary for the image to show anything from the DWU. That's the cover the makers went with, and we should use it.--Skittles the hog - talk 22:25, January 4, 2016 (UTC)

Use of forums

Hey, could you take a look at T:FORUM and T:DISCUSS?

Tardis Wiki forums are not for general Doctor Who discussion. They're for discussion relating to the editing of this wiki—and only admins may start new threads at The Celestial Toyroom. If you want general Doctor Who discussion, there's plenty of places online to do that. We at Tardis recommend Gallifrey Base. Thank you. :)
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 20:48, January 5, 2016 (UTC)

Sorry pal, I assumed that's what it was for, sorry for the inconvenience. DENCH-and-PALMER ☎ 20:50, January 5, 2016 (UTC)

Image licenses, again

This is a reminder that every single image you upload needs a copyright license. Please go through and add the appropriate licenses to all of the files you've uploaded. If you do not, they will be deleted. P&P talk contribs 21:37, January 5, 2016 (UTC)

Will do, sorry for the inconvenience P&P DENCH-and-PALMER ☎ 21:39, January 5, 2016 (UTC)

Go to the file page, "File:Whatever.jpg", and click edit. Then, put the relevant template in the textbox. For most of these, it will be {{screenshot}}, just like that with the curly brackets. If you need a more specific template, the whole list is at Category:Copyright templates. P&P talk contribs 21:49, January 5, 2016 (UTC)

Yup, just like that. Please make sure there are licenses on all of the files you've uploaded. P&P talk contribs 22:01, January 5, 2016 (UTC)

New categories

Hey. Please stop creating frivolous categories like Category:Individuals who have been inside the Doctor's TARDIS. Unlike a single page, categories are difficult to clean up, so you have to use discretion when creating them. From now on, if you're going to create a category with more than fifteen members, bring it up on the forums first. P&P talk contribs 21:31, January 7, 2016 (UTC)

Oh, sorry P&P, I hope I haven't caused any inconvenience, though what about a category, Individuals who have been inside the Doctor's TARDIS but aren't companion? DENCH-and-PALMER ☎ 21:34, January 7, 2016 (UTC)

What NOTVALID means

Thanks for your edits around the old "Dr What" comic. Although your work is appreciated, it had to be wholly deleted. See, NOTVALID means that the work can't be used to write in-universe articles, but that is otherwise licensed by the rights holders. For instance, The Curse of Fatal Death can't be used to write in-universe articles, but the BBC produced it. So it can have a page here, as long as the page clearly indicates its invalidity.

Something like "Dr What" is different, though, because it never had BBC approval of any kind. It's not Doctor Who in any sense. It's a parody made without BBC sanction. And we just flat-out don't cover that kinda thing.

Lest you think that we've lost some early bit of important DW history, understand that the definitive work on early comics, The Comic Strip Companion: 1964 – 1979 doesn't mention it at all. I'm afraid you may have been swayed a bit by Altered Vista's overly enthusiastic representation of it. It's really not even a blip on the radar of early DW comics. It's just another in a long line of British parodic pieces that are legal under UK law, but not at all representative of the property they seek to lampoon.
czechout<staff /> ☎ ✍  00:22: Fri 08 Jan 2016

Unlicensed images

I asked you multiple times to add licenses to your uploaded images. Because you haven't done so after more than enough time, I'm deleting them pursuant to T:UNLICENSED. P&P talk contribs 13:12, January 8, 2016 (UTC)

Sorry PandP DENCH-and-PALMER ☎ 13:56, January 13, 2016 (UTC)

Matrix Ood

No, I have no idea. You'd have to re-watch the episode.--Skittles the hog - talk 21:22, January 10, 2016 (UTC)

Avatar

Mine appears to have disappeared too. Other users have said it comes back after a time, so it's likely just a matter of patience.--Skittles the hog ☎ 15:33, January 11, 2016 (UTC)

Articles about DWM articles

Tardis is not looking for pages about individual DWM articles, which is why The Doctor and the Daleks was deleted by PicassoAndPringles. Please don't recreate this or any similar page. We are looking for the pages about issues to be much better completed. So if you're interested in editing about DWM, please concentrate your efforts in that direction. Thanks!
czechout<staff /> ☎ ✍  18:58: Mon 11 Jan 2016

Block

As I've said to you multiple times in the past, every single image you upload needs a license. Clearly you know how to add one, because many of your images have them. After several warnings, I deleted those images uploaded without licenses, and explained to you why I did so. Now, you've uploaded five more screenshots without licenses. I've no choice but to block you to stop your unconstructive behavior, and to impress upon you how important this matter is. As our image use policy says:

Copyright licenses are a Big Damn Deal. It is your responsibility as an editor to try to accurately represent the copyright status of every picture you upload. If you're not even going to try, you're not even going to edit.

The block is only for three days, but if you continue to upload images without licenses, the next will be longer. P&P talk contribs 21:09, January 11, 2016 (UTC)

Hi P&P

I've not uploaded pictures for days to avoid this, I genuinely add a licence every time, whether they disappear is beyond me, I know how to do it, you click the little box the gives you the option to add licence, I do this every time and for some reason the licence disappears, from now on I'll add no more images, though I ask one thing of you, that you remove the block, I'm 3 days away from a badge for contributing to the wiki for 30 days. I swear to you I have added no images since you told me of this, they must be previous uploads, I hope you can forgive me and remove the ban, this wiki is my life and it';s my computer playing up not my mistake. Very sorry buddy. DENCH-and-PALMER ☎ 21:14, January 11, 2016 (UTC)

Misunderstanding

I didn't mean to turn you off from adding images completely, only to enforce our image policy. I'm not sure why the licenses aren't working for you. If the issue is only happening with VisualEditor's upload tool, you could try uploading from Special:Upload instead.

One other thing: please stop removing {{invalid}} from pages that need it, as you most recently did at LEGO Dimensions (video game). Both in- and out-of-universe pages covering NOTVALID topics need the template. P&P talk contribs 02:49, January 15, 2016 (UTC)

Will do, sorry for removing the tag. DENCH-and-PALMER ☎ 08:57, January 15, 2016 (UTC)

The Master user

That user has been banned for a few months now. Thanks for the heads up. I'd have done an infinite ban, but I'm assuming there must be some level of good faith involved if they gave their (totally invalid) reason for removing all that. Unfortunately, there is no system in place for IP users to see notifications for their talk pages, so it would be a waste of my time to tell that particular user about T:CAN and T:VS.
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 09:30, January 16, 2016 (UTC)

Removing invalid template

Once again: don't remove {{invalid}} from articles, as you just did at Search Out Space. All NOTVALID articles need this template, whether they be stories or characters. They help quickly identify to a casual reader that something isn't a regular DWU topic. This is the second time you've been told not to do this, and next time it will be a block. P&P talk contribs 23:07, January 19, 2016 (UTC)

Re: Piscons

Which pages, specifically?
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 22:49, January 24, 2016 (UTC)

The Piscons

I can't seem to find any information about "The Piscons" online. Do you have a source for their being licensed? P&P talk contribs 22:50, January 24, 2016 (UTC)

Delete tag

Hi! When you add the delete tag to an article that you feel needs to be deleted, that is all you need to do — just add the tag. Do not blank the page or remove whatever is on the page. Blanking the page creates an extra step for the admin who is determining if the page should be deleted. Please see Tardis:Deletion policy#Blanking articles. Thanks. Shambala108 ☎ 02:41, June 8, 2016 (UTC)

Edits

Can you explain what you have changed in this edit to Planet Karaoke and this edit to Quinnis? P&P talk contribs 18:51, October 1, 2016 (UTC)

I began to edit them both realising that what I was going to add was for a different planet, so I just saved the page having changed nothing. I'm very sorry if I've caused an inconvenience. Best Wishes. :) DENCH-and-PALMER ☎ 18:57, October 1, 2016 (UTC)

Please remember that making tiny, unhelpful edits goes against the Game of Rassilon rules. P&P talk contribs 19:05, October 1, 2016 (UTC)

Very sorry P&P, I'll make sure it doesn't happen again. Best Wishes pal.DENCH-and-PALMER ☎ 19:09, October 1, 2016 (UTC)

Superannuation

It just contained the word "sup", I'm assuming by accident. Feel free to recreate it as a proper article.
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 22:02, October 1, 2016 (UTC)

Ah, sorry must have forgotten to save it. Best wishes DENCH-and-PALMER ☎ 22:15, October 1, 2016 (UTC)

Page moves

Hi! Please note that only admins are permitted to move pages on this wiki. Please read Thread:128198 for details and instructions. Thanks. Shambala108 ☎ 22:41, October 1, 2016 (UTC)

I'm sorry pal, I wasn't aware of this. It won't happen again 😊 Best wishes DENCH-and-PALMER ☎ 22:45, October 1, 2016 (UTC)

Categories

Hi! I suggest you read through all of the policies located in Category:Categorisation before you attempt to add or create any more categories. Thanks. Shambala108 ☎ 02:05, October 4, 2016 (UTC)

Block

I've had to block you for an hour to get your attention. The category you created has been deleted, and I don't have time to clean up all your edits right now, so I need you to stop adding the category to pages. For now, like I said above, stop creating categories until you understand all of our category policies. Your block will expire in one hour. Thanks. Shambala108 ☎ 15:55, October 7, 2016 (UTC)

Sorry about this, I feel bad... I've read them and understand them. Sorry about this and again I am sorry. DENCH-and-PALMER ☎ 16:14, October 7, 2016 (UTC)

Blocking you for three days since you are still creating categories that several admins have had to delete. When your block is expired, I require you to ask an admin (list at Tardis:Administrators) before creating any new categories.

Shambala108 ☎ 23:21, October 15, 2016 (UTC)

• Oh, I was told that categories for companies were alright for example Big Finish crew and Doctor Who crew, I just assumed that BBCi crew would be alright. Oh well, sorry for any inconvenience I've caused pal... I guess this is where I depart but I wish you all the best. DENCH-and-PALMER ☎ 08:04, October 16, 2016 (UTC)

It's up to you whether you stay or not. There have been many users on this wiki who have been blocked for a short time, learned from their mistakes, and continued editing.

I never said anything about the BBCi categories — if there was something wrong with them, they'd have been deleted, but as you can check, they are still here. You can check your deleted contributions to see which ones were deleted, but they were for various reasons, and deleted by at least three different admins. Shambala108 ☎ 00:35, October 17, 2016 (UTC)

Hits of vandalism

Thanks for the heads up.
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 06:41, October 10, 2016 (UTC)

Stories without an opening theme

I understood. But "stories without an opening theme" would necessarily include all comics and prose stories. Besides which, not having a title sequence is not really notable enough to have its own category.
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 19:57, October 11, 2016 (UTC)

• Hi again Soto, as you may already know I've been blocked to prevent unconstructive editing but I've not been told exactly why. I think it's because of my last category BBCi and BBCi actors, BBCi crew and so on but having read the policies and what I've been told, they don't seem to be "rule-breakers" as they are companies which are allowed such as Big Finish. I was wondering if you'd be able to kindly find out exactly why for me. I'm sure that Shambala108 has not blocked me for no good reason and I'm sure she has her reasons, that again I'm sure are very good. Though I'd really love to know exactly why. Is BBCi category a rule-breaker? And is that the reason for my block? Would you be able to find out why and get in touch pal? ---- I make myself sound like a blurb of a novel. :D

Anyways I wish you and the admins all the best wishes. Thanks for taking time out to read this Soto, you and the other admins have always been kind to me but especially you. Best wishes pal. :D. DENCH-and-PALMER ☎ 18:48, October 16, 2016 (UTC)

Shambala's a she. You've been told multiple times not to create new categories without asking first, and you've gone against that several times.
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 19:17, October 16, 2016 (UTC)

• Okay, firstly my apologies for the gender issue pal, I suppose one shouldn't assume these things but I guess I wasn't to know. Secondly, that seems a good enough reason but all I want to say is I'm very sorry anyway, whether or not you want me back is up to you guys but if I am to come back I shall only add existing categories and stay away from the category creating field entirely and stick to what I'm good at... Not Valid stories. Thanks again Soto pal for getting back to me, you didn't have to but you did and that kindness deserves my recognition. I suppose as a person I've always been "tolerated" and the fact you're accepting me in on the Core and letting me edit is very kind. Probably not the best place to say but I was depressed once upon a time and this wiki, and having something to do, was a step out of that, so that's another thank you I owe to the admins and the core. Anyways, best wishes buddy :D. DENCH-and-PALMER ☎ 19:27, October 16, 2016 (UTC)

PNG image

I've deleted it for you.
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 14:18, October 22, 2016 (UTC)

Image width

The minimum width for all images is 250px. A few of your recent uploads were less than that, and have been deleted. P&P talk contribs 23:51, October 22, 2016 (UTC)

Creating pages

Two things to pay attention to when creating new pages:

• Tardis:Use sentence case I've had to fix several instances where you've violated this rule. Please read and understand it.
• When you create a new page, it's better to use one of our existing templates (there's a drop down menu on the create page) instead of creating it manually. That way, Tardis:Use sentence case will already be followed properly, and you wont' have to worry about manually setting up the infobox.

Thanks. Shambala108 ☎ 17:05, October 23, 2016 (UTC)

2015 BBC Christmas ident

Hey, you can go up on this page and place the tile you want links for (in this case, place 2015 BBC Christmas ident and you'll see all pages that link to 2015 BBC Christmas ident. There are currently six links to the page. OncomingStorm12th ☎ 15:41, October 24, 2016 (UTC)

I went on and changed the remaining links to the page. As you can see on [1] there aren't any links to the page any longer. OncomingStorm12th ☎ 16:32, October 24, 2016 (UTC)

Thank you pal, much appreciated. How do we now go about getting the name changed? DENCH-and-PALMER ☎ 16:45, October 24, 2016 (UTC)

We simply wait for an admin to check Tardis:Speedy renames, see that all links have been moved, and then move the page. OncomingStorm12th ☎ 16:47, October 24, 2016 (UTC)

Source editor

Refer to the following pages and/or videos:

• Help:Classic editor
• Wikia University - How to Use Wikitext (video)
• Wikia University - Introduction to Wikitext (video)
• Tour the Wikia Editor (video)
• Help:Editing at Tardis

You can change your default editing format in Special:Preferences. If VisualEditor remains your default, the button for source editor can be found in a dropdown you click right next to the edit button.

Get yourself experienced with the way pages look around Tardis by always using classic editor. Take a look at the formatting on different pages. It will take you no time at all to get used to source editor, and it will really help us all.
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 20:46, October 24, 2016 (UTC)

Thanks pal, also when can Visual be used? DENCH-and-PALMER ☎ 20:48, October 24, 2016 (UTC)

Categories

I don't have time to clean up after you right now, but you have once again created categories without asking someone first if they are appropriate. We don't need such specific categories for television story crew, as you would know if you either checked similar crew categories or asked an admin. In addition, categories generally aren't created until there are at least three pages for that category. Blocking you for a week this time, so maybe the message will get through. Shambala108 ☎ 13:49, October 25, 2016 (UTC)

Oh, I genuinely made sure there was a category of the same name for other spin-offs before creating. Which, in these cases, there were. I've been non-stop helping out with the new Class pages, I've even tried to learn source code to help the best I can, I was told that I shouldn't create a new category if there were more than 15 members, which none of them were. I also read on the policies that they can be created if there are more to come, which there are. Other categories, including Class writers only have one member, and I doubt there will not be any more, any time soon, so I at least followed the rules more than some. I've followed the admins requests, followed the policies and I'm still blocked. I guess it's my own fault but I did follow as I was told and the policies. I do try here but the only thing that actually gets recognition are my supposed mistakes. Though can I just ask, which specific rules did I break, I mean I didn't make any categories with over 15 members nor have I created a category which hasn't been used for another story, I didn't break the more than three rule as we know they're more to come and lastly other uses have made categories with less in of the same matter, I think a week block is a bit extravagant, given I followed the rules but hay-ho I guess you had your reasons. Anyway, best of wishes pal. Denchen ☎ 14:32, October 25, 2016 (UTC)

I've been blocked for creating categories that are still in use, they're being used by my good friend User:SOTO, which suggests that there is nothing wrong with them and I've been blocked for no reason, please elaborate on the situation Shambala108. Anyways, best wishes. Denchen ☎ 09:07, October 28, 2016 (UTC)

Alternate Eighth Doctor

If you want to create an article about the Doctor in What If?, under non-DWU Doctors of course, by all means--if indeed it is a story at all. I haven't read it myself, but if it doesn't even count as a story and merely accompanies the article, you probably can't create that one either.

That was published. We do not, however, cover the contents of unproduced stories. You can, of course, mention the character's inspiration/origins in a behind the scenes section.
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 21:56, November 1, 2016 (UTC)

With the knowledge that it cannot count as a story, I really wouldn't waste your time trying another article on him. Again, you can cover the DWM article, if you find it so interesting.
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 22:01, November 1, 2016 (UTC)

Thanks SOTO, about the What If? story, it's supposed to be a one illustration story that tells that Doctor's story within one illustration, I guess it's the only of it's kind but it is supposed to be a story in that vain. It lets you know his outfits, enemies, personality, abilities and so much more from the illustration, the image used in the wiki article is a smaller image, and not the full image. I can guarantee it's supposed to be a new kind of story, someone from DWM (can't remember who at the minute) even said it was supposed to be a new kind of comic. Denchen ☎ 22:06, November 1, 2016 (UTC)

Infoboxes

I would ask that you stop using any story infoboxes other than {{Infobox Story}}. The others are still working redirects, but they are very much obsolete. On a related note, the proper name for the invalid template is {{invalid}}, not anymore {{notdwu}}.
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 21:58, November 1, 2016 (UTC)

Will take that into account, thanks for the help. Best wishes. 😊

Quirke

Do you have a link? (I temporarily waive T:VID LINK.) P&P talk contribs 21:54, November 2, 2016 (UTC)

Unfortunately I only have a version on the computer, not on the internet. It's about 20 seconds long all in all, which is longer than the 2009 BBC Christmas ident. It features a some what narrative, no more than any other ident but it's there. May I recreate the pages as they are officially licensed and portray a narrative and feature a cracking piece of DW fun that should be noted. Best wishes. Denchen ☎ 21:59, November 2, 2016 (UTC)

I'll restore the ident page, but I'm not sure about the "Doctor". Is this actually shown as the Doctor, or just Pauline Quirke wearing a scarf? P&P talk contribs 22:17, November 2, 2016 (UTC)

Also, out of curiosity, where did you obtain the video of this? P&P talk contribs 22:18, November 2, 2016 (UTC)

Ads aren't stories

Heya :) Please stop trying to create pages about "characters" you think you're seeing within advertisements. Ads are not narratives. They therefore do not count under our four little rules, and aren't deserving of related pages. In fact, ads are not even NOTVALID sources. They aren't sources of any kind. They are simply marketing campaigns, and our coverage of them begins an ends with a real world article about the campaign itself only.

As you've already reverted the deletion of at least one such article, it's important to point out that further restorations can't be allowed, either. Not to come down super heavy on ya, but if you do it again, we'll have to block you for a bit. That's something we really don't want to do. Please understand that the admin staff is mainly comprised of volunteers, and their time is valuable. We just don't have the time to get into a big circle of deletion and re-creation with you over an issue that's been long settled on this wiki. Thanks :)
czechout<staff /> ☎ ✍  23:12: Wed 02 Nov 2016 23:12, November 2, 2016 (UTC)

Re: Quirke

Hi! It's the usual procedure to discuss prop deletes on the article pages so that others can participate if they wish. Thanks. Shambala108 ☎ 13:46, November 3, 2016 (UTC)

Ah ok, yeah sorry, I realised afterwards tbh, but I didn't want to delete my message, sorry for the inconvenience. Best wishes. Denchen ☎ 21:09, November 3, 2016 (UTC)

VisualEditor

This is one of the reasons why I ask to to refrain from using VisualEditor as much as possible: http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Steven_Mackintosh?diff=2120202&oldid=1924140

<span>He is perhaps best know for being a regular in </span>''Luther''<span> alongside </span>[[Idris Elba]]<span> as the titular character, </span>[[Paul McGann]]<span>, </span>[[Dermot Crowley]]<span> and </span>[[Warren Brown]]<span>. He also appeared alongside </span>[[Ashley Walters]]<span> and Warren Brown as the main characters in </span>[[BBC]]<span> drama </span>''Inside Men''<span>.</span>

http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Ashley_Walters?diff=2120203&oldid=2031248

<span class="">He also appeared alongside </span>[[Steven Mackintosh]]<span class=""> and [[Warren Brown]] as the main characters in </span>[[BBC]]<span class=""> drama </span>''Inside Men''<span class="">.</span>

I'm running a bot to remove this stuff now.
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 21:29, November 6, 2016 (UTC)

I think that's because I used the old copy and paste, specifically them two and no other, sorry for the inconvenience
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 21:29, November 6, 2016 (UTC)

Re: images

The images were deleted because they violated Tardis:Guide to images#Speech balloons. If you plan to continue uploading images, I suggest you read all of our image policies, which you can find in one location at Thread:148148.

Also, in the future, if you are wondering why something was deleted, you can check the deletion log at Special:Recentchanges. Thanks. Shambala108 ☎ 23:04, November 6, 2016 (UTC)

Leaving message

Leaving message. See? No problem.
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 21:29, November 6, 2016 (UTC)

Okay, now no problem. Sorry about my little typo up there.
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 21:30, November 6, 2016 (UTC)

Something was messing the font making it impossible to leave a separate message as they were all joined up in the same passage with pink through it. They only thing I could do was remove the whole passage. Denchen ☎ 21:34, November 6, 2016 (UTC)

Well, you could have contacted me, but yeah. I just didn't close my <nowiki> tag properly, so wikitext wasn't working past that point. Sorry about that.
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 21:38, November 6, 2016 (UTC)

No problem, Ill make sure to constant you if anything like this happens again. Denchen ☎ 21:42, November 6, 2016 (UTC)

Clearing up some things

Hi! There are a few things I need to clear up with you.

• Did you bring the creation of Category:Doctor Who Pinball archive voice actors up on the forums like User:PicassoAndPringles told you to do? I don't see it anywhere. I'm not blocking you for failing to follow her original instructions, but I have new instructions for you. In the future, I'm going to require you to ask PicassoAndPringles or me directly if you want to create a category.
• Please do not ever remove someone else's message from your talk page (the only exception is vandalism). If you have a code mess-up, ask User:SOTO for help as he is not only a technically-minded person, but in the particular case where you removed my message, it was his original message that caused the issues. By deleting the message (which in some cases can seem disrespectful to the original poster), you forced SOTO to have to revert it so he could figure out what the problem was.
• The issue with SOTO's message just underlies his request to you that I am seconding: please learn how to edit in source mode. The sheer volume of edits you make is extremely difficult to fix in visual editor mode, and I personally hate the visual editor for the mistakes it causes users to unknowingly make. The fact that you edit so much should make it much quicker for you to learn how to use source mode.
• I don't know why no one has corrected this before, but when someone leaves a message on your talk page, you must respond on the other person's talk page. That's the way it is done here (don't know about other wikis) for a very specific reason: (for the sake of brevity we'll use me as an example) if I receive a message on my talk page, I get the little message at the bottom of my screen and an email. If, however, someone answers me on their own talk page, I don't get any notification and don't have any idea that they've answered unless I scroll through every edit made since the last time I checked.

Thanks for your attention! Shambala108 ☎ 23:15, November 6, 2016 (UTC)

Could you please point me to the forum post where you asked about Category:Doctor Who Pinball archive voice actors, because I can't find it. Thanks. Shambala108 ☎ 23:27, November 6, 2016 (UTC)

Death Comes to Time discussion

Hi! I don't have time right now to continue the discussion on Death Comes to Time, but I have to add this right now:

User:Fwhiffahder apologized, and you accepted his apology. There is absolutely no reason for me to restate a comment that I already removed. Since you didn't see it, it now has no bearing on the discussion. I removed your request to know the comment. Please do not bring it up on the forum again. Thanks. Shambala108 ☎ 19:19, November 8, 2016 (UTC)

Right oh, sorry Shambala108. Denchen ☎ 19:20, November 8, 2016 (UTC)

Punctuation

Hi! Please read through Tardis:Comma#Using commas where a full stop or conjunction is required to understand how to correct run-on sentences. Thanks. Shambala108 ☎ 00:01, November 9, 2016 (UTC)

After having cleaned up several pages you recently created, I am once again requesting you to read through the above lesson on how to avoid run-on sentences. In addition, both User:SOTO and I have requested you to start using source mode for editing and creating pages. One of the things I had to do today was removing a bunch of <span> tags from one of the pages you created in Visual Editor mode.

I know it sounds like you're being picked on, but you happen to make a lot of edits. Therefore your number of errors is pretty high compared to less prolific users. Unfortunately, I and other cleanup editors have to spend a lot of time cleaning your (and other users') edits, leaving us less time for what we actually want to do on this wiki. Please make sure you understand the policies that several admins have already pointed out. Thank you for your attention. Shambala108 ☎ 22:27, November 10, 2016 (UTC)

I'm sorry for this Shambala, the device I work on makes it hard, the second my iMac is back and ready, I can fullfill your request. For now shall I stop editing or continue or...? Anyways best wishes pal, I've been currently building on VE, and then correcting it on Source, I think my C&P has caused the span. Yeah, it's me "Denchen"... I couldn't believe it either. ☎ 22:40, November 10, 2016 (UTC)

Re: Tom Baker

I think you probably sent your message while I was explaining on the talk page for Tom Baker (Who on Earth is Tom Baker). You can find the full explanation there. Thanks. Shambala108 ☎ 23:32, November 9, 2016 (UTC)

Categories

Hi! Please note that I told you to specifically ask me or User:PicassoAndPringles about any categories you want to create. The category you asked User:SOTO about will not be created for several reasons. For one thing, the name of the category you suggested doesn't follow our guidelines regarding out of universe categories.

I feel like I need to explain something to you. You are interested in the nonvalid DW stuff. That's great. Everyone has an interest, nothing wrong with that. However, by definition, the nonvalid things on this wiki are not covered to the same degree that we cover the valid things. We do not want the same degree of coverage because then we will have to constantly clean up after new users who don't know the difference between valid and nonvalid. Because it's an admin job to clean up the wiki and enforce policies, it's easier to prevent problems from happening by not allowing certain things.

So by all means continue to work on the notvalid as you wish, but please understand that this wiki doesn't place the same importance on the notvalid as it does the valid. Thanks. Shambala108 ☎ 15:49, November 13, 2016 (UTC)

Will do pal 😊, I do understand that valid stories are more important, they are to me as well. I focus on that area because I enjoy it and I want to help the wiki expand in that field. Thanks for your time and Best wishes. Yeah, it's me "Denchen"... I couldn't believe it either. ☎ 23:27, November 13, 2016 (UTC)

The Five(ish) Doctor Reboot pages

The reason I add the rename tag on the Five(ish) Doctor Reboot pages is, as the rename tags explain, Tardis:Naming conventions says that Articles cannot have more than one set of parentheses, the dab term should be (The Fiveish Doctors Reboot). Therefore, since a dab term is needed, the (ish) must be dropped, in favour of the following approximation: The Fiveish Doctors Reboot (again, quoting the policy).

Regarding the I'm sure they can bend the rules of the rule with this one coment: well, rules exist because they are needed. In this case, (once again quoting the policy): because this inhibits proper pipe tricking, which a number of automatic templates depend upon. OncomingStorm12th ☎ 14:08, November 16, 2016 (UTC)

Re: What?

Hi! I'm going to answer your questions, but I feel like the most important thing I have to say should be said first.

As an admin, it's my job to enforce wiki rules. That includes cleaning up after users' mistakes. Unfortunately, I have my own special projects that I'd like to do, but the cleaning up often takes way too much time. Therefore (and this is an admin point of view, most non-admins do not look at things this way), I try to avoid anything that would actually increase user mistakes. Sometimes we decide to do things a certain way or to disallow certain things because otherwise we would have a lot of editing problems.

I am referring specifically to your attempts to integrate invalid stories into valid areas of the wiki. While it might seem OK to you, what I see is that new users might not get the difference between valid and invalid if the two kinds of stories are mixed up in categories and in lists pages. It might be hard for you to understand, or you might disagree with this, but invalid stories are not treated the same way as valid stories on this wiki. They were declared invalid for a reason.

These general comments I've made answer your questions about why I removed some of your edits. Here's a very very very useful piece of editing advice for you: If something is missing on a page, consider that there might actually be a reason for it. Don't assume that all editors that came before you were too stupid to see that something was missing.

I don't know why you're citing User:SOTO's edits as justification for your own. His recent edits on that page were cleaning up and adding material from Class (TV series), a valid story. That doesn't compare to your adding invalid stories. In addition, you added a bunch of webcasts to that page, but the page title clearly states televised stories.

To respond to a couple of your specific comments:

• "invalid stories aren't the best that's usually why they're invalid but come on." Um, no, quality of story has nothing to do with validity. Validity is decided based on four rules that you can find at Tardis:Valid sources.
• "I'm inclined to believe the other section was removed for a pure hate of invalid sources" Well, you're wrong. I've never seen any of these invalid stories so I have no opinion of them as stories. As I explained above, I edit the way I do to make the wiki work better. There are so many people who edit this wiki, and so few people who are willing to clean up after other users. If I can make the clean-up process easier, then I will always choose that option.
• "I'm inclined to believe the other section was removed for a pure hate of invalid sources" That statement could be interpreted as a personal attack. You don't know me, so don't assume I hate something just because I disagree with you. Please read Tardis:No personal attacks. Shambala108 ☎ 01:27, November 17, 2016 (UTC)

Re: commas

I have to correct myself. The instances I have been citing as "run-on sentences" are actually "comma splices". However, based on my research, they are not acceptable English, either British or American. Shambala108 ☎ 02:38, November 20, 2016 (UTC)

Non-DWU categories

Best to start a new thread just to confirm how we want to name them all. Invalid may work as a descriptor for stories, but "invalid individuals" isn't nearly as clear, and the adjective has other connotations with regards to people. If that's what we decide, that'll be the new names. Then I can easily rename the categories by bot.
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 16:59, November 20, 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the response pal. I've started working in a sandbox, I'll show you and see what you think when I'm done. Best wishes. 😊 Yeah, it's me "Denchen"... I couldn't believe it either. ☎ 17:04, November 20, 2016 (UTC)

Invalid sources

Hi! Given your first comment at Thread:203861: "The Seventh Doctor is taking part in a game show for television on Earth. Why is it invalid?", from now on, if you want to know why something is invalid, ask an admin first. Do not open a forum post at Board:Inclusion debates. No one on this wiki has the time to constantly re-debate things that have already been concluded. It's a sad truth of editing here that some decisions were made before you came along and therefore could not participate, and that some decisions will go against what you want. I can think of several decisions I don't agree with that happened before I came here, and there are literally dozens of agreements that I participated in but which I "lost" (for want of a better word). That's the price we pay for editing the wiki of such a large body of work as the DWU.

Please note that per Tardis:Do not disrupt this wiki to prove a point, you cannot reopen a closed discussion unless you have something new to add. That is why I am requiring you to ask an admin first before opening a forum post. There are a ton of things that need to be done on this wiki, and we admins don't have time to constantly rehash old closed debates any time someone doesn't agree with a closed discussion. I don't know if you are aware of this or not, but admins are not paid; we are volunteers, and we have our own projects that we'd like to work on, but the cleanup of the wiki (our responsibility) often prevents that.

Thanks for your attention. Shambala108 ☎ 01:51, November 23, 2016 (UTC)

Edit summary

Thanks for upholding T:TENSES, but the edit you undid was hardly "vandalism", as you put in your edit summary. It was a good faith edit without an understanding of how we do things here. And in fact, even in cases where there has been true vandalism, we prefer not to use that word, as it only encourages them.
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 16:18, November 24, 2016 (UTC)

cross-purposes

Hi, we seem to be simultaneously editing the same pages. Thus, I would appreciate a courtesy of explaining your edits, especially when reversing mine. In particular, Most Haunted does not require a dab term as per T:DAB. It is an in-universe object as opposed to the out-of-universe comic story. Amorkuz ☎ 23:56, November 24, 2016 (UTC)

Sorry for the inconvenience pal, I added the dab as it linked to the comic story. Sorry for the trouble, best wishes. - Denchen: Lord of Invalidness ☎ 23:57, November 24, 2016 (UTC)

That's exactly what I mean by cross-purposes. I understand the intent now and appreciate a helping hand. I do believe that edit summaries are a useful way of communication our intents. In particular, I tried to warn in my edit summary that I'm in the process of relinking. It took some 10 minutes as there were multiple links to the redirect page, most of which had to be redone. It is one of those things that cannot be done correctly in 1 edit. But now it should be all good. The redirect gone and links pointing where they should be. Amorkuz ☎ 00:03, November 25, 2016 (UTC)

One of those things I can do in a matter of seconds by bot, though, if you ever ask. :)
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 00:21, November 25, 2016 (UTC)

The Metaphysical Engine

You should have put that on the talk page, but thanks: that proves it. I will rename the page now.
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 11:26, November 26, 2016 (UTC)

Image dimensions

Yeah, I don't believe you did it on purpose. That's what happens when you add an image in VisualEditor, though.
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 05:18, November 29, 2016 (UTC)

Three-parter

That's a good thing to bring up in Thread:183627, which still hasn't reached a conclusion. And thanks for making an effort with source.
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 03:17, December 1, 2016 (UTC)

The Ultimate Adventure

Ok, you need to cool down and carefully read what I type here.

• First, you are not an admin, you don't define personal attacks. You completely ignored my original post by, first, asking for an explanation, and, second, editing the page against admin instructions. Excuse me for having to emphasize my points after that.
• Here's a temporary explanation to hold you until I can spend some time here. You messed up the page in a lot of ways. At first I tried to clean it up, but there were so many issues I could only revert it to the last edit prior to yours. This reversion is, incidentally, an admin-only tool that unfortunately does not allow for an edit summary. That's why I left a message on the talk page.
• I intended to give you an accurate, well-thought out reason for my reversion, but that will take some time to research the discussions from years ago regarding these particular stories. I don't have time for that right now and will not have free time for a few hours. Remember, admins are volunteers who are absolutely not paid. We fit in our editing around our real lives, and to save myself time I sometimes check edits off and on during the day for cleanup, but can only spend real time on the wiki in the evening. That's when I will get to your explanation.

Thank you for your attention. Shambala108 ☎ 21:51, December 1, 2016 (UTC)

I'm going to explain the removal of the rename tag on the article talk page, but I wanted to address some of the other issues here as they are general issues, not just related to that article.

• As User:SOTO also explained, you mixed up valid and non-valid info in the same section. We never do that. To stress, not-valid continuities are never considered "alternate realities" for in-universe sections.
• You stated "it is unknown". We almost never do that on in-universe pages, because we are writing from the perspective of someone who knows everything about the DWU, not from someone who is merely watching/reading/listening to the stories. Just because we viewers/readers/listeners don't know something doesn't mean that the characters don't know.
• Individual users do not get to decide when something invalid becomes valid. That's a community/admin decision. So your adding of the "Alternate versions of the Doctor" while removing the not valid category is against policy.
• I suggest you proofread your edits by using the "preview" button before the "publish" button. There were several grammatical/missing letter errors in your typing.
• Per Tardis:Bold text, only the lead is bolded and if possible it must be in the first sentence in the first paragraph, not further down the page.
• Nicknames are not considered aliases.

Also, I have some advice. Joke if you want to, but don't ever aim it at a person. It is nearly impossible to distinguish someone's tone from their text. I've seen lots of supposed jokes be taken as personal attacks because the poster's tone wasn't obvious. Shambala108 ☎ 01:43, December 2, 2016 (UTC)

Considering I will soon be starting a forum thread about getting rid of some the way-too-many "The Doctor" pages on this wiki, it's better to make it a BTS reference. Have you actually read the story? I have, and while it may be obvious that this Doctor is meant as a nod to the stage play character, we can only use in-universe information, and therefore can't conclude that it's the same guy on in-universe pages. Since the reference is a BTS matter, that's where the info best belongs. Shambala108 ☎ 16:03, December 3, 2016 (UTC)

Patience

Patience, you must have.
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 21:56, December 1, 2016 (UTC)

Also what Shambala said above. Try to let her breathe. We are all people. We have people things to do.
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 21:58, December 1, 2016 (UTC)

I messaged you before Shambala message me, sorry 'bout that. Your meme is funny by the way he he. -- Denchen: Lord of all that is invalid ☎ 22:02, December 1, 2016 (UTC)

Image request

Hi Denchen, I couldn't help but notice that you're online and adding images. I do not have access to the iplayer and would quite like a good image for the page 2016. Could I bother you to add an image of Charlie activating the Cabinet of Souls (preferably with some Shadow Kin in the background) from yesterday's Class finale? CoT ? 17:42, December 4, 2016 (UTC)

Thank you! P.S. you might want to archive your talk page, it's getting quite long. CoT ? 18:42, December 4, 2016 (UTC)