User talk:PoolsideJazz

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Thanks for becoming a member of the TARDIS crew! If you have any questions, see the Help pages, add a question to one of the Forums or ask on my talk page. SOTO ☎ 16:45, September 25, 2020 (UTC)

Please ask around[[edit source]]

Hello! I've been looking at the patterns of your edits recently. While more users interested in the more obscure licensed Doctor Who spin-offs are certainly welcome on the Wiki, I'd urge you, in the future, to be more circumspect in your editing and to ask administrators before you, say, add pages about an entirely new spin-off.

I have not reversed you bringing of The Concept of War onto the Wiki (although that link should have been to a page with the dab term "novel", because that is how we do things on this Wiki: a solo release is a novel no matter its length), as, prima facie, it does seem like it belongs here and was simply overlooked back in the day due to its obscurity. The only user who was aware of it upon its original release was since blocked for engaging in sockpuppetry, which rather explains our lack of coverage of it.

However, normal procedure when you find something you think passes T:VS, but which isn't yet on the Wiki despite having been out for a while, is to at least ask an admin before you do anything rash. These things often need inclusion debates before they're accepted onto the Wiki, and a thread might have to be created to regularise the Selachians situation at some point in the future. (Of course, at the moment, we don't have Forums, making the situation rather thornier.) --Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 14:46, October 27, 2020 (UTC)

The Selachian page didn't have a link to The Concept of War because the page had been deleted. Creating a redlink to a story page is functionally equivalent to "bringing that story on the Wiki", in that it tells the userbase to create that page as soon as possible. The thing is, when a story isn't linked (red or otherwise) even though it's mentioned, there is usually a good reason. Hence: you should ask an admin!
Also, while The Concept of War is the higher-profile example, I also had your redlinking of Winter's View on the 10,000 Dawns (series) in the back of my mind. --Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 15:29, October 27, 2020 (UTC)
You may be correct or you may not — but again, especially with 10,000 Dawns-related debates having been so contentious in the past, you should not create such a page (or set things in motion for the creation of such a page) without asking.
You're of course right that this story is, narratively speaking, tied heavily into the relationship between N-Space and the Dawns. But the question is, legally speaking, did it have any licenses? A namedrop's not necessarily representative of a license, nor does it need to be: at least one Candy Jar book references "Cybermen" by name, because it's a one-line namedrop that's not prosecutable. The Empress could feasibly be a similar deal, as could the Looms. And the fact that anybody is implied to be a Time Lord doesn't enter into it. --Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 16:01, October 27, 2020 (UTC)
Hey, I agree with you personally. All I'm saying is, this case isn't cut and dry, so it should be discussed in advance of any action being taken. (And don't take any of what I say personally. As I led with in my first message, we're delighted to have you! Just showing you the ropes. The sometimes-tangled-and-confusing ropes.) --Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 16:10, October 27, 2020 (UTC)

Re: Fanfiction[[edit source]]

Your kung-fu was too fast for me! See Doctor Who: Lockdown!#Announcement on 'The Fan Gallery'. The prose stories are released via a commercial Doctor Who outlet, so while they may be "written by fans", they aren't fanfiction as we define it. But the fact that the BBC calls them "fan fiction" may or may not mean they break Rule 5 of T:VS, so they're provisionally invalid until we can have a fact-finding thread about this and/or more evidence comes to light on its own.

Thank you for taking an interest! --Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 20:38, November 7, 2020 (UTC)

To clarify, I believe Scrooge means rule 4, as he stated at Doctor Who: Lockdown!#Announcement on 'The Fan Gallery'. Najawin ☎ 20:50, November 7, 2020 (UTC)
(Er… yes. Sorry about that. "Rule 5" indeed. Talk about a typo… At least there's no incorrect meaning you could have derived from that statement, it was just meaningless.) --Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 20:54, November 7, 2020 (UTC)

Re: Cosmic Masque[[edit source]]

From the sound of it, we should indeed have pages about it as reference material if nothing else. I'm agnostic on the matter of stories published in it until there's more evidence. If that story was written by Paul Magrs (or otherwise licensed by all relevant copyright holders), and if Cosmic Masque was released commercially, then sure, I see no reason why that story wouldn't be valid. --Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 15:50, November 9, 2020 (UTC)

Randomly thought back to this; have you made any progress in investigating the above? I really am quite curious. Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 22:42, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
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