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 {{quote|"Images that are not licensed (or "tagged") are subject to immediate '''deletion'''. ... '''Copyright licenses are a Big Damn Deal.'''" |Tardis:Image use policy|T:UNLICENSED}}
 (Boldface as in the policy.) Please let me know if you need help with supplying uploaded images with a license or if you have questions which license to choose. [[User:Amorkuz|Amorkuz]] [[User talk:Amorkuz|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:11, March 20, 2018 (UTC)
+== Howdy :) ==
+Hey there! I wanted to thank you for coming by and editing here at Tardis. It can be a li'l confusing at first, so I just wanted to make sure you were starting to understand the way we do things around here.  Since it appears as though you may have only just started editing at FANDOM at the very end of 2017 — and we on the administrative team didn't catch that — I want to first apologise for not stopping by personally and trying to help.
+If I can, I'd like to go over a few points that might quickly bring you up to speed on some best practices around Tardis.
+* When someone leaves you a note here on your talk page, answer on '''their''' talk page. This triggers a '''message alert''' that they can see. If you answer them here, they're less likely to notice. (So if you want to respond to me, do so at '''[[User talk:CzechOut]]'''.)
+* Become familiar with our image policies. We have strict guidelines on images which tend to result in us having a fairly high-quality, fairly searchable library of images. Some of the best pages to read and understand are '''[[Tardis:Guide to images]], [[Tardis:Image use policy]]''' and '''[[Help:Image cheat card]]'''.
+* When you [[Special:Upload|upload]] an image, you have an opportunity to change the name of the image. Make sure you change the name into something that's plain English and describes the content of the image. For instance, I see you uploaded '''[[:file:NewEarth700.jpg]]'''. Though plain English, it's an unhelpful title because it doesn't tell us much about the contents.  A better title might have been something like '''Devon Pryce.jpg''', since that's the person whose face dominates the image.
+[[File:Where you can change an image name.png|center|700px|To change the upload name of the file, change what's in the '''first''' field. Also, make sure you categorise the image in the '''second''' field. And then choose an appropriate license from the drop-down menu in the '''third''' field|thumb]]
+* When an admin leaves you a note, please respond to it. That way, we know you've read it and are trying to learn. If you fail to respond, an admin may take that as you '''ignoring''' them — something for which they '''might''' block you.
+* If you're doing something, and you get this feeling in the pit of your stomach that you may be doing the wrong thing, '''always''' reach out to an admin and ask first.
+Well, that's about all I wanted to say for now. Thanks again for editing here. If I can help in the future, please give me — or any member of the administrative team — a shout. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}} 23:43: Wed 21 Mar 2018</span>
+== Re: Unbound Doctor and Valeyard pictures ==
+In principle, as an exception, I could do it. The ultimate goal would, of course, be to teach you to do it yourself. But before discussing that, I'm sure you can guess my question. What is the source of these pictures. There are two basic concerns I always have  when I see pictures etc. in the web. (1) Is it the authentic picture? Or was it modified by a fan in any way? (2) Is this picture authorised for public release by its creators/copyright holders?
+Don't get me wrong: it might well be that your pictures have no such problems. But I'm not gonna be guessing. Instead I'll explain what might be problematic and let you tell me if something is.
+We have several users who are quite adept with image-processing software. For instance, I know of one user who is making their own versions of DVD covers by combining other images. Needless to say, they do not do it here on the wiki. But they are reasonably good, sufficiently good to have been credited for a cover of something that was actually published. While I certainly can appreciate the creativity and mastery, those are fan works. They typically reuse images of actors, which in principle requires permissions. Not going too deep into the legal matters, suffice it to say that fan fiction is generally not allowed on the wiki ([[T:NO FANFIC]]). By extension, no fan-made images or fan-modified images. A simple example: if a fan takes a CD cover and removes all text from it, without an authorisation of the creators, we cannot post this image. Why? Because the original cover bears the name of the production company, whereas the textless version does not. The latter image can be easily reused by third parties. In fact, given that everything posted here is under the CC-BY-SA license, by posting such an image we would be granting permission for others to reuse the image, quite contrary to the wishes of the rightholders. This is, of course, different from the situation when the producer released textless covers themselves. Note also that images posted on the wiki must not be of too high a quality for essentially the same reason. They are here for information purposes only, and should not be suitable for reuse, especially for commercial purposes. '''Thus, my question is: where did these images come from?'''
+But even when the image originates directly from the producing company, we must still be sure that it was intended for public release, that it was not part of their internal production process. The most obvious such examples are scripts hacked and then leaked online. We should not even mention them as that would be a disservice to fans. But there are other, less sinister potential ways how such pictures could appear. It could be from a friend of the artist, a guided tour, a master class. Point is: the image could be shown privately, without the intention of it being distributed online. '''This is the origin of my question whether the image was authorised for release''', whether it could be obtained by anyone or was shown in a private capacity. [[User:Amorkuz|Amorkuz]] [[User talk:Amorkuz|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:48, March 22, 2018 (UTC)
+: Do you know who owns this site? [[User:Amorkuz|Amorkuz]] [[User talk:Amorkuz|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 01:11, March 23, 2018 (UTC)
+:: I couldn't find any info on the owner either. I don't even know if it's a he, a she, or non-binary. Thus, they could have created this art themselves, without asking the actor's permissions, right? There is no way for us to exclude that possibility? And what if [[Michael Jayston]] does not approve of pictures where his eyes are red? (By the way, his first name is misspelled on that website, which does not increase the chances of it being officially licensed.) Don't you think the actor should have the right to veto pictures of him he finds unflattering? [[User:Amorkuz|Amorkuz]] [[User talk:Amorkuz|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 11:10, March 23, 2018 (UTC)
+::: I still do not know where the images come from. The fact that bing search finds them is neither here nor there. Not a single site hosting these images is associated with anyone in Big Finish production team. I own this story and do not have this image. If the images are part of the CD cover, they can be uploaded. But in that case they should be uploaded by a person who owns the CD and can vouch for the images. I cannot do that. All the information you provided got me no closer to the origins. It could be a legit image produced by Big Finish. It could be a bootleg edition distributed by pirates. It could be a fan-made image. It could be an image created by an artist as part of a job interview for Big Finish from their materials, which is not authorised for distribution. There are many other options. And there is simply no point in guessing. It does not necessarily have to be you or me who uploads this image. We just need to wait for someone who owns the CD to do it.
+::: The whole point of the wiki is that it is a collaborative effort. One person cannot have information about everything but collectively we do. And those who own the story and have listened to it are best placed to edit on it. Think of it this way: you probably have some exclusive information from a story you recently experienced or some rare reference book only a handful of people have. Or you studied a story so carefully that you've understood something no one noticed. That would be your best, most valuable contribution. On the other hand, something that anyone can find on the Internet is not that special. [[User:Amorkuz|Amorkuz]] [[User talk:Amorkuz|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:56, March 23, 2018 (UTC)
+:::: I do not know why these images exist in this form. You '''do not know''' either. You want to ''believe'' they are not fake. That's alright. Many editors want to believe the Doctor is not half-human, despite ''[[Doctor Who (TV story)|Doctor Who]]''. They are free in their head canon but are not allowed to edit pages according to it. You are similarly free to post these images on your personal webpage if you really need them. But until you '''know''' where these images come from, beyond any doubt, based on evidence rather than on feelings, you are not allowed to upload them. (By the way, that applies to absolutely all edits: if you only ''hope'' it's true but are not ''sure'', do not edit it in.) Frankly, for this wiki, these images are a low priority: they do not provide any new or useful information. The stories are audio, meaning images are not expected for them. Cover images are already present. The characters in question are present on those images. Uploading these images would not make much of a difference, as much as you are invested in them. However, if you really feel so strongly about these images, there is a simple solution: buy the CDs, scan the actual CD booklets, and upload the scans. [[User:Amorkuz|Amorkuz]] [[User talk:Amorkuz|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:40, March 23, 2018 (UTC)
+::::: I think we have discussed everything there was about this matter. This wiki has its own policies arrived at by the community over the past 14 years via multiple discussions. Neither your personal opinion, nor videos posted on YouTube by unknown individuals, nor other unaffiliated wikis have any effect on this. On this wiki, copyright is respected and quality control is ensured by multiple eyeballs checking and double-checking new edits. [[Tardis:Administrators]] make sure that the policies are followed. As a personal advice, in this age of fake news, when almost anybody can edit somebody's face onto any video and make their lips sync to any text, I would strongly recommend you to refrain from using unverified sources for any purposes. Whatever you choose, it is a policy of this wiki not to trust even reputable sources such as IMDb because they can be edited by anyone (see [[T:RW SOURCES]]). We are certainly not going to accept anonymous sources. I repeat that you are free to buy the official Big Finish CDs and upload official scanned images from this primary source. Until then or until somebody else uploads them, the question is closed. [[User:Amorkuz|Amorkuz]] [[User talk:Amorkuz|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:39, March 23, 2018 (UTC)
+::::: PS And no, merchandise that "snowflake619" tries to sell on Ebay is not considered a valid source on this wiki either, by the same [[T:RW SOURCES]].
+::::: PPS Not surprisingly, the fact that you do not have access to the primary source also means that your images were of insufficient quality to pass the wiki's standards. Both images you uploaded earlier were deleted because their width was <420px, the minimum width for all images. [[User:Amorkuz|Amorkuz]] [[User talk:Amorkuz|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:55, March 23, 2018 (UTC)
+== Images and blocked ==
+You've been blocked for three days. You've been told '''repeatedly''' to read our image policies, but obviously you haven't done so, since you are still violating some of the same policies that you've been warned about above this post. In addition, I also told you to check the reasons for deletion of an image before just re-uploading it with the same problems. You did not do so, uploading the same images with the same problems within an hour after the first ones were deleted.
+You now have three days free from editing so you can read through our image policies. You can find them at [[thread:148148]]. Please understand that the admins have lots of other duties and can't keep explaining and cleaning up after each individual user who doesn't want to read/follow the rules. [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 13:14, March 24, 2018 (UTC)
+:I don't really know how else to get through to you on this, so you are blocked for six months for violating our most important image policy: '''all images must have a license'''. [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:03, March 30, 2018 (UTC)
+:: I am sorry to interject, but I'm afraid I have to defend the user as far as license goes. As much as I agree that the images had to be removed (they were narrower than 420px), I think it is important to note that the user ''tried'' to comply at least with the license policy. It was not done during the upload process, which would have been preferable, but it was done within 2 minutes of the upload, according to the "Deleted user contributions" log.
+:: Having said that, as [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] mentioned several times before, the image policy imposes several requirements, which all should be fulfilled. So far in every image upload, several were violated. And I have to agree that the last 3-day block intended for the user to finally learn these policies did not have the desired effect. [[User:Amorkuz|Amorkuz]] [[User talk:Amorkuz|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:47, March 30, 2018 (UTC)
+== Final permanent block for sock puppetry ==
+It is always sad when no matter what the admin team does, the user insists that rules do not apply to them and thinks they can get away with breaking them. I warned you a long time ago that you should not, under any circumstances, try to circumvent a block by creating another username. Almost any other block ends eventually. After you created [[User:KandymanCan]] while being blocked, your block is converted to a lifetime block without a possibility of appeal. The block is extended to both of your identities. Do not create more as they will be blocked too. And try not to repeat your mistakes in other communities you belong to. [[User:Amorkuz|Amorkuz]] [[User talk:Amorkuz|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:08, April 24, 2018 (UTC)