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I don't have ''strong'' feelings on the matter, but as documented in the ''Behind the scenes'' section, this character is only ever referred to in the source(s) where he appears as "the 45th Doctor", and never as "the Forty_fifth Doctor" or "the Forty-Fifth Doctor". Shouldn't that count for something? --[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:38, May 2, 2020 (UTC)
I don't have ''strong'' feelings on the matter, but as documented in the ''Behind the scenes'' section, this character is only ever referred to in the source(s) where he appears as "the 45th Doctor", and never as "the Forty_fifth Doctor" or "the Forty-Fifth Doctor". Shouldn't that count for something? --[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:38, May 2, 2020 (UTC)
: We should probably follow [[T:DOCTORS]] here. That policy was designed to standardise how the wiki spells Doctor incarnations and it was neccesary because of alternative spellings that also exist such as "1st Doctor" etc. I don't think it really makes sense to not go policy on this matter when it was created partly for this very reason. --[[User:Borisashton|Borisashton]] [[User talk:Borisashton|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:46, May 2, 2020 (UTC)
: We should probably follow [[T:DOCTORS]] here. That policy was designed to standardise how the wiki spells Doctor incarnations and it was neccesary because of alternative spellings that also exist such as "1st Doctor" etc. I don't think it really makes sense to not go policy on this matter when it was created partly for this very reason. --[[User:Borisashton|Borisashton]] [[User talk:Borisashton|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:46, May 2, 2020 (UTC)
:: I felt as though there's a difference between a policy of "if there's both 1st Doctor and First Doctor available, we go with the latter" and choosing to use "Forty-Fifth Doctor" in a situation where no one has given us that form. --[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:59, May 2, 2020 (UTC)


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Not sure that it matters, but isn't ''Showrunner Showdown'' an interview? We don't have articles on the Cybs , who only exist in interviews. Surely this should be featured in the Behind the Scenes section of [[Doctor Moon]] a la the [[Spider Dalek]]. <span style="font-family:Perpetua Titling MT">[[User:ToyStoryFan123|<span style="color:purple">Toy</span>]] [[User talk:ToyStoryFan123|<span style="color:green">Story</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Fan|<span style="color:blue">Fan</span>]]</span> 15:55, May 2, 2020 (UTC)
Not sure that it matters, but isn't ''Showrunner Showdown'' an interview? We don't have articles on the Cybs , who only exist in interviews. Surely this should be featured in the Behind the Scenes section of [[Doctor Moon]] a la the [[Spider Dalek]]. <span style="font-family:Perpetua Titling MT">[[User:ToyStoryFan123|<span style="color:purple">Toy</span>]] [[User talk:ToyStoryFan123|<span style="color:green">Story</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Fan|<span style="color:blue">Fan</span>]]</span> 15:55, May 2, 2020 (UTC)
:The 45th Doctor and Doctor-Moon-as-Doctor are different incarnations, though — or else you'd assume River would recognise Doctor Moon instantly. Clearly the [[Colin Salmon]] avatar the Doctor has inside the Library is, so to speak, the ''46th'' Doctor (though not a regeneration). So it wouldn't really be proper to cover him in the behind the scenes section of Doctor Moon, just like the Rown Atkinson Doctor isn't covered in the bts section of [[Eighth Doctor]].
:Yes, ''Showrunner Showdown'' is a DWM article rather than a story, and that's precisely why this page is tagged <nowiki>{{invalid}}</nowiki>, but there's plenty of precedent for Doctors from invalid, four-little-rules-breaking works to have pages. The category [[:Category:Non-DWU_Doctors]] is filled with nothing but.
:I'm unsure what you're driving at with the [[Spider Dalek]] link. The page you link to is a page about Spider Daleks as they exist in valid sources, with links about their invalid appearance in the invalid [[Spider Dalek (TV story)|''Spider Dalek'' (TV story)]] — but as I said, the 45th Doctor has not appeared in any valid material, even if [[Doctor Moon]], who, per the invalid source ''Showrunner Showdown'', is who the 45th Doctor becomes, ''has''. --[[User:Scrooge MacDuck|Scrooge MacDuck]] [[User talk:Scrooge MacDuck|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:59, May 2, 2020 (UTC)

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I don't have strong feelings on the matter, but as documented in the Behind the scenes section, this character is only ever referred to in the source(s) where he appears as "the 45th Doctor", and never as "the Forty_fifth Doctor" or "the Forty-Fifth Doctor". Shouldn't that count for something? --Scrooge MacDuck 15:38, May 2, 2020 (UTC)

We should probably follow T:DOCTORS here. That policy was designed to standardise how the wiki spells Doctor incarnations and it was neccesary because of alternative spellings that also exist such as "1st Doctor" etc. I don't think it really makes sense to not go policy on this matter when it was created partly for this very reason. --Borisashton 15:46, May 2, 2020 (UTC)
I felt as though there's a difference between a policy of "if there's both 1st Doctor and First Doctor available, we go with the latter" and choosing to use "Forty-Fifth Doctor" in a situation where no one has given us that form. --Scrooge MacDuck 15:59, May 2, 2020 (UTC)

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Not sure that it matters, but isn't Showrunner Showdown an interview? We don't have articles on the Cybs , who only exist in interviews. Surely this should be featured in the Behind the Scenes section of Doctor Moon a la the Spider Dalek. Toy Story Fan 15:55, May 2, 2020 (UTC)

The 45th Doctor and Doctor-Moon-as-Doctor are different incarnations, though — or else you'd assume River would recognise Doctor Moon instantly. Clearly the Colin Salmon avatar the Doctor has inside the Library is, so to speak, the 46th Doctor (though not a regeneration). So it wouldn't really be proper to cover him in the behind the scenes section of Doctor Moon, just like the Rown Atkinson Doctor isn't covered in the bts section of Eighth Doctor.
Yes, Showrunner Showdown is a DWM article rather than a story, and that's precisely why this page is tagged {{invalid}}, but there's plenty of precedent for Doctors from invalid, four-little-rules-breaking works to have pages. The category Category:Non-DWU_Doctors is filled with nothing but.
I'm unsure what you're driving at with the Spider Dalek link. The page you link to is a page about Spider Daleks as they exist in valid sources, with links about their invalid appearance in the invalid Spider Dalek (TV story) — but as I said, the 45th Doctor has not appeared in any valid material, even if Doctor Moon, who, per the invalid source Showrunner Showdown, is who the 45th Doctor becomes, has. --Scrooge MacDuck 15:59, May 2, 2020 (UTC)