Talk:Ninth Doctor

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Nine not a Time War Combatant?

Is there a reason as to why the Ninth Doctor cannot be categorized as "Combatants in the Last Great Time War"? He led the Battle of the Game Station, which is described by both the Bad Wolf and Tenth Doctor as the "final act of the Time War". Discounting Day of the Doctor (both the episode and novel) which states all the Doctors were present, I still think Nine is eligible to be classified due to the events of The Parting of the Ways being considered by his future self as a Time War event. Please correct me if I'm wrong on this issue; I've tried adding the category before and it's been reversed so I am just slightly confused. Thanks!--Dr. Derek ☎ 16:36, May 21, 2018 (UTC)

Leitmotif missing

The Ninth Doctor's leitmotif is missing, as the SoundCloud link provided is invalid. Could someone please fix this? Thanks.--Natejb2003 (talk) 22:27, November 24, 2018 (UTC)

Sexuality

Has Ninth ever shown any signs of being non-heterosexual? The only thing I can think of is being kissed by Jack. -- Saxon (✉️) 20:27, October 8, 2020 (UTC)

I assume that, more than the kiss itself, whoever added the cat (I didn't check) was thinking of this exchange in TV: Boom Town:

JACK: (about Mickey and Rose hugging)
Aw, sweet, look at these two. How come I never get any of that?
DOCTOR: Buy me a drink first.
JACK: You're such hard work.
DOCTOR: But worth it.'Boom Town

Which, yeah. Isn't impossible to construe as just a joke similar to what you'll find with the Eleventh Doctor in Closing Time. You can headcanon your way around it if you want.

But the direct reading is clearly that this is genuine same-sex flirting. It's anyone's guess whether the Doctor would genuinely be open to dating Jack if Jack did indeed "buy him a drink", but the "worth it" clearly indicates that it's within the realm of possibility.

So I don't think the category is unjustified. Of course, if signiciant sentiment surfaces on this talk page that it's too ambiguous, we can remove it. --Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 20:34, October 8, 2020 (UTC)

Okay, sure. I didn't even think of that because it's such a common joke. -- Saxon (✉️) 20:42, October 8, 2020 (UTC)

I was initially reluctant to add that category for the very reason you outlined. I do believe it would serve us well to have discussions concerning who actually fits in the category and who doesn't. The Eleventh Doctor is also a head-scratcher; outside that Closing Time scene, he also outright kisses Rory in Dinosaurs on a Spaceship, which may or may not have been just a comical OTT display of gratitude. WaltK ☎ 21:39, October 8, 2020 (UTC)

If we're discussing Eleven as well, though it's not definitive proof, there are statements that show Smith intends for Eleven to be asexual. (Which would make him non-heterosexual as well, but the kissing isn't the reason.) Najawin ☎ 21:48, October 8, 2020 (UTC)

That may have been Smith's interpretation, but the fact Eleven is very strongly implied to have an active sex life with River Song tells me the writers didn't agree. WaltK ☎ 22:01, October 8, 2020 (UTC)

Asexual people can have a sex life. This is one of the common misconceptions. Najawin ☎ 22:08, October 8, 2020 (UTC)

Yeah — "asexual" doesn't necessarily mean someone will never engage in sexual activities, merely that they have no, or little, personal desire to do so. It is not uncommon for asexual or demisexual individuals to engage in sexual activities for the sake of partner with whom they are in a romantic relationship.

This merely means that if we had one account saying "the Eleventh Doctor is asexual", that wouldn't necessarily conflict with TV: The Impossible Astronaut. But of course, we do not, as far as I know. So it's immaterial.

At any rate, we should have discussions like this one in "contentious" cases. That's what talk pages are for — and it was always my intention when I closed the Categories thread to allow for individual discussion of the handful of contentious cases. --Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 22:09, October 8, 2020 (UTC)