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Opening post

I think this one is rather open and shut. Doom turns and looks to the camera, describes her situation, and asks you to join her on her journey. The Trip of a Lifetime precedent applies, it should never have been created as valid. See the closing post at Forum:Temporary forums/Inclusion debates speedround about the distinction between Trip and other ways in which people turn and talk to the screen. (Since we have these shiny new forums, I figured we should use them for this and do it properly.) Najawin ☎ 20:49, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

Discussion

I don't personally object, but I would like to suggest that we might be missing some context here due to the incomplete nature of the Doom's Day series. On its own, I think the trailer should not be valid. But surely there's context for a Rule-4-by-proxy rationale in the future? What if in a future comic, Doom records the message we see in the trailer and broadcasts it to the galaxy? ETC.

I invite others more familiar with the material to contribute. Personally while I am amused by the existence of this series I have not enjoyed what I've seen. OS25🤙☎️ 02:31, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

I apologize for my previous post. I had presumed we were talking about Meet Doom - the Universe's Greatest Assassin! (webcast). However, upon clicking some links, I've realized that we're actually discussing The universe's greatest assassin has just 24 hours to escape Death and find the Doctor - where will Doom's Day take her next? (webcast). To help us differentiate between these two similar cases, I recommend that we use both titles in full whenever possible.

Personally, I think that The universe's greatest assassin has just 24 hours to escape Death and find the Doctor - where will Doom's Day take her next? is naturally inoffensive but I understand the reason it's been brought up. What makes this harder is that I've been told the story that this trailer would be set directly before has a somewhat strange start, probably because so many of these stories have a disconnect between them.

It seems to me that since we have two of these so far and both have been released to represent how many hours are left... It's logical to presume that there are many more of these webcasts coming. Meet Doom - the Universe's Greatest Assassin! and The universe's greatest assassin has just 24 hours to escape Death and find the Doctor - where will Doom's Day take her next?, again, likely shouldn't be judged by themselves. I feel strongly that it's hard for us to debate the content of these, and the fourth wall breaks presented, without having a better image of what's at stake here. OS25🤙☎️ 02:37, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

I agree they shouldn’t be valid, but would leave the door open to things if these somehow get referenced in some odd-handed way in a future Doom story. NoNotTheMemes ☎ 02:50, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

I’d just like to add that the newest one of these, WC: Mission update from Doom!, terms the release as a “mission update” in its caption, which I think might indicate some in-universe-ness to the videos. Cookieboy 2005 ☎ 14:00, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

I think you're reading far too much into a fun post to go along with the video. Najawin ☎ 18:00, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

Hardly. If the first video of this style was meant to be a live broadcast/recording sent across the galaxy, is it impossible that a similar logic was intended for the rest of these? OS25🤙☎️ 20:18, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

Still very similar to Trip of a Lifetime to me. Just as it teases the distinction between watching the show vs being an actual participant on the trip, this sorta does the same. Najawin ☎ 20:31, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

Well, the important thing about Trip of a Lifetime was that the crew of 2005 Who did not intend that the Ninth Doctor should ever have a full-time companion who isn't Rose or Jack. So it really explicitly is discussing the audience "joining" the Doctor.

Here, the authorial intent is different. When Doom name drops her mother in these videos, do you think this isn't the "real Doom"? I think the authors are indeed presenting the same character providing information, with a bit of a cheeky in-universe twist. If the intention is that Doom is sending out emergency messages throughout these, then they should all be valid. OS25🤙☎️ 22:26, 23 July 2023 (UTC)