Talk:The Other

Biology

I remember reading sources that said that the Other had only one heart and could not regenerate - however one may have been inferred from the other.

Can anyone find a citation for this? The reason it interests me is the Meta-Crisis Doctor has one heart, can't regerenate, etc.--TheOmnius 18:13, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

In The Man in the Velvet Mask it's stated that a Time Lord in their first regeneration only has one heart and they gain their second after their first regeneration. But I don't think there's any reference to The Other in that novel. --Tangerineduel 13:12, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

In Lungbarrow, the Other indicates that neither he nor Rassilon had the ability to regenerate. I don't know how many hearts they had.--The Traveller 14:52, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Image

Is it safe to assume that the third (from the left) figure in this image is the Other? If it is, then we could have an image on this article.--The Traveller 14:54, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

If you can confirm it's The Other (I can't remember if there's a description of The Other in Lungbarrow, either the original novel or the eBook, I've only read the printed novel version). I've read through sections of the author notes (more of a skim than a read) and could he be Susan's grandfather, rather than The Other? The cover is suggestive that he's related to the Doctor (but as I said I can't remember if there's a description of him). --Tangerineduel 15:31, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Well, if Susan's grandfather isn't the Doctor, then he's the Other (although he could be one of the Morbius Doctors). According to William B. Swift's website, "it is known that he was rather short, has thin legs, black hair, and often wears a black cloak with a hood". I don't know where this comes from, but to my knowledge the Other appeared in less than five works. At any rate, you can't really confirm or deny that the figure on the Lungbarrow ebook cover matches this description as both are rather vague.--The Traveller 18:28, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

the cover could show the Other or it could just show the First Doctor. I think if you wanted to show the Other you would show one of the faces the Doctor flashbacked to in "The Brain of Morbius", according to the intention of Lance Parkin. he mentioned this in a post in rec.arts.drwho before Cold Fusion had actually come out. --Stardizzy2 22:39, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

doctor is the other?

i know this is a popular theory but jenny mentions that the doctor has other children couldnt this be a referance to him being the other?

Yes it could be, The Doctor himself has also said he has, or at least had, other children. The thing you have to remember is that it's never really been clear whether the orignal run really followed the Cartmel master plan, and the BBC Wales series been even less clear. Neither run has really talked about how TimeLords reproduce, although Jenny's birth in The Doctor's Daughter could be considered a nod to the looms it's never mentioned if he knows about them from Galifrey or just from his travels. But until something is said one way or the other I kind of like the loom theory as it sets the TimeLords apart from other races even more. GrimmShadows ^{talk to me} 04:35, December 3, 2011 (UTC)

Not a Cat Person

I know this is probably well out of canon, but I read on the "Rassilon, Omega and the Other Guy" site that in one of the maybe-canon works Rassilon has a CAT (Calculating Animal with a Tail) which may or may not have been The Other, as no-one knows if The Other was Gallifreyan, Time Lord or another species. If Rassilon's CAT was the Other, then it's sort of ironic that the Doctor occasionally describes himself as "not a cat person" because he actually was at one point.

That sounds totally ridiculous, I nobody ever takes it seriously--99.135.151.172 21:02, May 9, 2010 (UTC)

Literally ust found this. The story (which is perfectly valid on this Wiki) is The Legacy of Gallifrey, and indeed features an unnamed cat who advises Rassilon at key points in his history, but at no point is an explicit connection with other accounts of "the Other" drawn. The story ends with another cat, or possibly the same cat, being adopted by Flavia under the name of "the Doctor, in what maybe some kind of nod to the "the Other becomes the Doctor somehow" idea. I'm, at any rate, unsure how to proceed. --Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 11:37, May 13, 2020 (UTC)

Rassilon and Omega hatred twords The Other?

Dont you think Rassilon and Omega had some grudge twords the other?Mabe why he is a mystery because Rassilon and Omega had all his recorded histroy earased because he did somthing or thought of things that where kinda against Rassilon and Omega's phillosophies or since he married Omega's former bride it made a bit of tension twords Omega and Other?-207.241.247.1 14:57, March 2, 2010 (UTC)

I think if anyone did any eraseing it was Rassilon, it is something he would do to make himself look better even as he descended in to maddness. Plus Omega disappeared into the black hole while the Other was still alive so he couldn't have erased everything. I might have missed something but I'm not sure either of them hated the Other, after all the Other did teach Rassilon most of what he used to create the TimeLords as we know them. Keep in mind most evidence points to the fact that Rassilon did seem to lose his mind and go mad, likly from power, although maybe he just hid it. GrimmShadows ^{talk to me} 04:35, December 3, 2011 (UTC)

Fanon not even allowed in BTS notes

When I encountered it, article had this note in the BTS section:

• A popular theory in fanon is that the unknown faces seen in The Brain of Morbius while the Fourth Doctor engaged in a mindbending contest with Morbius are incarnations of the Other (TV: The Brain of Morbius). Lance Parkin, the author of Cold Fusion has stated that he considers these the Other's previous incarnations. However, this clashes with facts later established in Lungbarrow (specifically, that Gallifreyans such as the Other weren't capable of regeneration).

Fanon certainly can' be referenced in the in-universe section of articls, but it alo can't be referenced in the behind the scenes notes. It's neither T:SOURCES, T:CAN or Tardis:Resources material. It has no place in the main namespace of this wiki.
czechout<staff /> ☎ ✍ 19:40: Wed 09 May 2012 

Lance Parkins wrote Cold Fusion with this theory in mind, so that makes his theories a bit more than just fanon. fanon means, by definition that which doesn't appear in BBC-approved works. (that doesn't mean that I worship the earth that he steps upon or anything, BTW. I mean, I personally hated part of Cold Fusion for reasons not really relevant to the discussion.)--66.31.31.107^{talk to me} 19:52, May 9, 2012 (UTC)

I rewrote the article with what you said in mind. I specifically noted that Cartmel did not come up with the name "Cartmel Masterplan". --66.31.31.107^{talk to me} 20:05, May 9, 2012 (UTC)

I think that 66.31's most recent version is worth considering. It certainly seems odd to have an article on the Other that doesn't link somehow to Cartmel Masterplan.

As for fanon, I agree that it can't be included without some form of citation, but I think that when fan opinions like "the Morbius faces are the Other's" or Season 6B have been professionally published in works like AHistory or The Discontinuity Guide, or referenced in DWM, we should be able to mention them here with an appropriate citation. If we can find a professional work in which this theory is mentioned, why not include it in the Behind The Scenes section? —Josiah Rowe ^{talk to me} 01:54, May 10, 2012 (UTC)

12th Doctor = The Other?

The 12th Doctor becoming The Other fits in with some of the evidence, mainly not being able to regenerate (because all the regenerations have been used) and having knowledge of the Time Lords (article says he gave it to Rassilon). It would make the entire timeline a nice little paradox. BrentNewland ☎ 08:10, December 22, 2013 (UTC)

The Scrolls of Rassilon + Titan Comics

I notice there's some stuff here from The Scrolls of Rassilon, which does feature an Other-like founder of Time Lord civilisation who is heavily implied to be the Doctor. However, that story calls that character "the Stranger" and never explicitly links him to the Other. Especially considering that the stories of the Other and the Stranger seem quite different, if not directly clashing, I think it wouldn't be too out-of-the-question for us to make it a separate page?

... but I'm not much of a Titan Comics person, but apparently in The Lost Dimension the Eleventh Doctor travels into Gallifrey's past, meets Rassilon, and becomes known as "the Other", which directly parallels the Scrolls of Rassilon version of events? I'd like to know more before I made any changes, so if anyone who's read the comic could clue me in, I'd appreciate it :) – N8 ☎ 21:41, October 12, 2017 (UTC)

Very late answer, but I think we should create a separate page for the stranger, like we do for the Morbius Doctor, Patience's husband and the infinity doctor since nowhere in scroll is he refered to as "the other".

I guess you got an answer since then but, yes in Titan, Eleven accidently went back in time at a time where Omega was already gone in a black hole and where he met rassilon. 11 refused to reveal who he was and just be called "the other", to which Rass answers that he's doing kust like "the chrono scroll writers of old" which does not prevents other characters called "the other" from existing before this.RingoRoadagain ☎ 19:56, September 24, 2019 (UTC)

It's ture that the Titan Comic does not strictly prevent there having been another Other, but I think the implication is clearly that this is the Other spoken of in the old texts and whose identity was such a mystery, with only Lungbarrow needing to be forgotten about. --Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 20:02, September 24, 2019 (UTC)

I disagree, it contradicts most if not all stories concerning the Other since Eleven was not there when Omega created his stellar manipulator or detonated the star. Instead, he arrived much later when he was lost and already had statues dedicated to him.

When asking myself why the author put this line in, it clearly seems to me that it to avoid saying this is the ultimate and definite explanation about the Other.

I am not saying to change the content of the article regarding the comic anyway, i was just trying to answer Nate's above question although i am sure he already knows all of it by now.

What i would like is to distinguish the other and the stranger. I know only admins can merge page but are we allowed to split them?RingoRoadagain ☎ 20:30, September 24, 2019 (UTC)

I'm not strictly opposed to the idea of a separate Stranger page, by all means — though I still think a note should be made of the Stranger on this page, along the lines of "Another account concurred that a stranger from Gallifrey's future visited Rassilon and blah blah blah, although this individual was only known as the Stranger".

While you may be right that the Titan Comic is more wishy-washy about whether Eleven's "Other" is the only Other there ever was than I remembered, I still think you're misreading the "like the chrono-scrollwriters of old" line. It's plural, so it's clearly not a reference to a previous Time Lord using the "Other" identity, but simply to the practice of discarding your real name and going by a title like "the [X]"; in other words it's a bit of worldbuilding suggesting an origin for the habit of Renegade Time Lords to take on a title, not anything to do with the Other. --Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 21:53, September 24, 2019 (UTC)

The Other Derailed?

I was just thinking: with the new episode, The Timeless Children, with the confirmation that the Doctor is the Timeless Child, wouldn't that derail some of the Other's history? Just think about it: with the Gallifreyans' discovery of the Timeless Child, they find that they have the unlimited ability to regenerate. Which, in theory (I'm not sure because I don't know the Other's story that well), wouldn't that mean that the Other wouldn't need to reincarnate themselves through a Loom? I can't really piece it all together, but that seems to be the case. ThePenguinLordH ☎ 20:42, March 2, 2020 (UTC)