Talk:Remembered TARDIS

"Memory TARDIS"

I would contend that "The Doctor's TARDIS (Tales of the TARDIS)" is a better name than "Memory TARDIS", as the dialogue keeps it ambiguous as to what this TARDIS really is, if it's real, a memory/dream, etc.; the Doctor is just guessing, and is unsure. TheGreatGabester ☎ 14:27, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

"Memory TARDIS" is explicitly used in the Curse of Fenric one, though it is called "a" memory TARDIS, so it ought really to be at Memory TARDIS (Tales of the TARDIS). Aquanafrahudy 📢 🖊️ 14:30, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

"Remembered TARDIS" is also explicitly used in dialogue, by Davison. — Fractal Doctor @ 14:31, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

And that name is also used in publicity material. Danniesen ☎ 14:32, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

I guess this is the question: does there need to be confirmation that this TARDIS is a memory, or is the TARDIS being called that reason enough? And on a similar note: the status of the characters themselves is nebulous, whether they're real, or memories, psychic avatars, etc. So that's why I thought making pages like Fifth Doctor (Tales of the TARDIS) could be a sensible proposition. TheGreatGabester ☎ 14:42, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

I don't think so. I'm fairly sure it's intended to take place in the ordinary Doctors' and companions timelines. (For example, the Seventh Doctor gives an explanation as to why he's old, which they probably wouldn't bother doing otherwise.) Aquanafrahudy 📢 🖊️ 14:45, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

Sure, but the implication here is the room may or may not be a physical location; it's left open that it could be entirely mental or imaginary. So it does complicate things somewhat. TheGreatGabester ☎ 14:47, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

Oh, entirely. But I don't think it's Twelfth Doctor (Shadow World) level. We just document it in an ambiguous manner on the respective characters' pages. Respecting the integrity of the ambiguity of the narrative, as it were. Aquanafrahudy 📢 🖊️ 14:52, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

At least we have a clear vision of when it takes place for the companions in their timelines. Danniesen ☎ 15:06, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

I am in favor of going with Memory TARDIS if it is indeed called that both in dialogue and in promo materials. Time God Eon ☎ 18:09, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

Both work for me, and are far better choices than what we currently have. It is explicitly called those things, and even for navigation purposes it makes a lot more sense to choose one of them. StevieGLiverpool ☎ 20:30, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

Okay, so it has now been 3 weeks since the last comment on this subject, which was in favour of either name. Should a rename be enforced given that there has been no further disagreements to it? Danniesen ☎ 10:25, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

I'd say we go with "Remembered TARDIS", on the grounds that it was used by two Doctors (5/6), while "Memory TARDIS" was just used by one (7). BananaClownMan ☎ 10:40, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

I am also in favour of "Remembered TARDIS" × Fractal • 16:36, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Done!. --Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 17:00, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

And, as if to be an untimely nuisance, I would just note now I've seen this Talk discussion that all six scripts for TOTT do in-fact consistently notate the location as either "INT. MEMORY TARDIS" or "INT. THE MEMORY TARDIS". JDPManjoume ☎ 17:17, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Central console

The page currently says "The console room was a small chamber with no central console". Should the console in the middle of the ceiling count as a central console or not? The time rotor is just visible in the interior image currently on the page and there's a clear shot of the whole console at 3:40 in TotT Earthshock – The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.100.235.175 (talk • contribs) .

Fair point, I'll change it to "no traditional central console". TheGreatGabester ☎ 18:58, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Subpage for layout

I've had some fun trying to be eagle-eyed with this set, but I do worry about legibility and the impact it has on the general shape of this page. The page seems unbalanced with the sort of sprawling chunky layout section as part of it. I think it might be better suited to a subpage. (Other people's thoughts on the formatting of the layout section are welcome, as well.) TheChampionOfTime ☎ 22:18, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Other Remembered TARDISes

Something of note is that when this TARDIS is named in Tales of the TARDIS, it is referred to as "a Remembered TARDIS" or "a Memory TARDIS", as in being of a type of TARDIS. The recent I, TARDIS suggested that other Memory TARDISes were seen at the end of The Five Doctors when the TARDIS undergoes temporal fission. How should we separate things so that there is a page for this specific TARDIS as well as Memory TARDISes in general? TheChampionOfTime ☎ 12:29, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

I'm not convinced that the ontology here is such that other remembered versions of the TARDIS would be "other Remembered TARDISes" as opposed to, as it were, "others of the same Remembered TARDIS". What's the quote from I, TARDIS? --Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 12:51, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

The full quote is as follows:

"All that displaced temporal energy, and all the power I’d been bottling since my overhaul, led to excited echoes of myself breaking away to deliver them safely home. And from there … well, I’m not sure. Did they melt away? Did they offer fresh adventures to those past reflections of the Doctor, taken out of time? Did they become safe havens for dreaming shades and strays across the Doctor’s history? Perhaps all of the above, perhaps none. Those were the first Memory TARDISes – though, as it turned out, not the last."The TARDIS

First Doctor's Memory TARDIS, Second Doctor's Memory TARDIS, etc? TheChampionOfTime ☎ 13:32, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Not quite a response to the matter at hand, but wasn't the Remembered TARDIS meant to be a very specific phenomenon where the extrapolated and projected memory of a time machine kinda willed itself into existence? How is that anything similar to what we see in The Five Doctors?

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14:09, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Steve Cole being far too much of a fan, retconning the VFX from the end of The Five Doctors. I always just assumed at the end of The Five Doctors, the TARDIS was returning each person back to their timestream and the "floating away TARDIS.jpg" effect was just a visual shorthand. Now, Cole has retconned it to suggest that, actually, the end of Five Doctors has the TARDIS temporarily(?) create "memory TARDISes" in order to transport the respective characters back to their timestreams(?) — Fractal • 19:37, 20 July 2024 (UTC)