Talk:Preciousness

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I realise I seem to be more conservative than others when it comes to what deserves a page, but do we really need a page for every single adjective or verb used in Doctor Who.

A page on preciousness because a baby was described as precious, a page on coming because Ruby's mum was said to come to the church... Is there a line? Jack ☎ 11:48, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

"Coming" is a more technical noun, but as far as I can tell policy is that every noun gets a page. I would say "preciousness" warrants a page more, though, since it's not quite as general as "the concept of coming". Cookieboy 2005 ☎ 11:51, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

The examples given in on coming aren't in its noun form, though, they're in its usage as a verb. And the example given on this page is an example of the adjective form of precious, not the noun. Aquanafrahudy 📢 🖊️ 14:33, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

By that logic someone saying they're going to run, or that they just ran, isn't a reference to running, and something being described as beautiful isn't a reference to beauty. Cookieboy 2005 ☎ 14:46, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Instances of blue-as-adjective definitely belong on blue. Equally however, at the very least an instance of the noun being used in the DWU is required here. --Scrooge MacDuck ☎ 15:23, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Is it? I wasn't aware of that, and it seems a bit bizarre that the stuff here is valid to be included on the page, yet having the page has to hold off until it's explicitly used as a noun. Cookieboy 2005 ☎ 16:19, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

On the page "Coming". I can understand why the wiki has pages for some basic concepts, but "come" is one of the top 100 most common words in English. Like, if you search the Doctor Who TV transcripts for "coming" you'll receive 10538 related results. That's something like 10 instances of the concept of coming every TV episode. It's just ubiquitous. Even supposing you could manage to accurately cover that kind of data in the form of a manually updated wiki page, who would actually benefit from it? Genuine question. Fennel Soup ☎ 22:10, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

To be honest, with "coming", I largely created it because of the precedent of every noun getting a page. Cookieboy 2005 ☎ 22:14, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Yeah no, we'd at minimum need a forum thread to change policy here imo. Making pages for adjectives-as-nouns simply by using them in noun-form when the noun-form hasn't been mentioned at all is pretty clearly verboten, and it's caused substantial hand wringing on the subject of trans issues in the past. See Talk:Transgender person. (I guess we haven't been quite as strict about it as we should with verbs, but we probably should be harsher on that too imo.) Najawin ☎ 22:58, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

My concern isn't that the noun form of "coming" can't be found within Doctor Who, (Just offhand, S9 mentions "The coming of the Hybrid" a few times.) but whether covering the noun form would necessitate coverage of any/all verb forms of the word on the same page. Like, it makes total sense to cover the noun and adjective forms of "blue" at blue, as has been mentioned above, but it sounds like a logistical nightmare to attempt the same thing with such a common verb. Is there any policy on this kind of thing? Fennel Soup ☎ 00:23, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

Not that I recall, and I'm pretty sure there's nothing in the forums, but I was gone for some time. And the forums were down during that same time, so if there was any discussion it'd be on a talk page. Certainly User:Najawin/Sandbox 7, which has stalled due to needing... something... to be excised from the website's history, doesn't have any discussion on verb pages. (So there's no discussion of them pre 2013 or so.) In the Najawin Commentary^TM, I pointed out that Forum:Wikifying to Wikipedia begins to gesture at this idea, a little tiny bit maybe, but the thread never even had a single response. Najawin ☎ 03:16, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

Totally agree with Fennel Soup. Are we going to have a page for Being as well?

"The Eighth Doctor claimed to be half-human. (TV: Doctor Who ^[+]Loading...["Doctor Who (TV story)"])"

Pages like coming and having are just silly. Jack ☎ 08:55, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

Well we have a Heidegger page. Two, in fact. Najawin ☎ 18:10, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

Unhelpful but almost relevant. Jack ☎ 06:36, 25 October 2024 (UTC)