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"A man who is probably Chronotis reappears in [[EDA]]: ''[[Unnatural History]]'' as Professor Daniel Joyce."
"A man who is probably Chronotis reappears in [[PROSE]]: ''[[Unnatural History]]'' as Professor Daniel Joyce."


One of the authors of ''Unnatural History'' specifically denies this in a Usenet post:
One of the authors of ''Unnatural History'' specifically denies this in a Usenet post:
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[[Special:Contributions/195.93.21.103|195.93.21.103]] 22:00, April 23, 2010 (UTC)
[[Special:Contributions/195.93.21.103|195.93.21.103]] 22:00, April 23, 2010 (UTC)
== Prisoners of Shada ==
Should the prisoners of Shada be added to the cast list? Or should a list of them merely be added to the Story Notes?
My sources are from In Vision's issue 44 of Shada and Doctor Who Plotlines - Shada.
The prisoners and the actors / actresses who would of played them are:
Lucretia Borgia - Ann Lee
Boedicia - Joan Harsant
Lady Macbeth - Shirley Conrad
Salome - Julie Le Rousse
Executioner - John Cannon
Rasputin - Derek Moss
Nero - Barry Summerford
Gladiator - Steve Kelly
Genghis Khan - Dave Cooper
Dalek - Steve Ismay
Cyberman - Ridgewell Hawkes
Zygon - Les Shannon
Other prisoners not mentioned in the cast list but elsewhere in the magazine were:
Rungar, a war criminal
Sabjatric, a mass murderer
Wirrn
== Invalid source ==
According to [[T:VALID]] this is invalid because it is one big deleted scene.  Therefore, I am adding an invalid source tag.--[[Special:Contributions/104.32.214.184|104.32.214.184]]<sup>[[User talk:104.32.214.184#top|talk to me]]</sup> 23:39, November 29, 2014 (UTC)
== Continuity ==
It is a policy of this wiki that stories labelled as "invalid source" do not have continuity. I have removed the continuity entries from this article and am placing them here. [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 00:07, August 15, 2015 (UTC)
* During this adventure, the Doctor and Romana were captured by [[Borusa]], only to be returned after being trapped in the space time continuum. ([[TV]]: ''[[The Five Doctors (TV story)|The Five Doctors]]'')
* The Doctor would use the ''[[The Worshipful and Ancient Law of Gallifrey]]'' again later. ([[PROSE]]: ''[[The Dimension Riders]]'')
* When Skagra examines the Doctor's life, brief clips from [[TV]]: ''[[The Pirate Planet]]'', ''[[The Power of Kroll]]'', ''[[The Creature from the Pit]]'', ''[[The Androids of Tara]]'', ''[[Destiny of the Daleks]]'' and ''[[City of Death]]'' are shown. [[Mary Tamm]]'s version of Romana is visible in some of the clips, marking one of only two times that both Romanas appeared in the same television story (the other being the pre-regeneration flashbacks at the end of [[TV]]: ''[[Logopolis (TV story)|Logopolis]]'').
* The [[First Doctor]] first met [[Salyavin|Chronotis]] in [[Cambridge]] in [[1958]]. ([[PROSE]]: ''[[Cambridge Previsited (short story)|Cambridge Previsited]]'')
* In [[C. S. Lewis]]' short story ''[[The Professor, the Queen and the Bookshop]]'', there was a book named ''[[Shada (book)|Shada]]''. ([[COMIC]]: ''[[The Professor, the Queen and the Bookshop (comic story)|The Professor, the Queen and the Bookshop]]'')
* [[Rassilon]] once mentioned he would later call himself 'the Conqueror of [[Dronid]],'  Skagra's homeworld. ([[AUDIO]]: ''[[Zagreus (audio story)|Zagreus]]'')
* [[Qixotl]] first heard about [[the Relic]] while stranded on Dronid. ([[PROSE]]: ''[[Alien Bodies (novel)|Alien Bodies]]'')
::If I remember correctly, there's clips of both Romanas in Resurrection of the Daleks.[[Special:Contributions/165.225.80.225|165.225.80.225]]<sup>[[User talk:165.225.80.225#top|talk to me]]</sup> 16:40, November 23, 2017 (UTC)
== Shada on Gold ==
just wondering abuot this clip wich seems to show that the 1992 version of shada was shown on uk gold in 1995 just wondering if its real or fake and wether it whoud make shada valid <--removed per [[Tardis:Video policy]]-->
Because this story has now been officially completed by the BBC, even getting a cinema (as of writing), DVD and Blu-Ray release (2 weeks from release as of writing), wouldn't it now be officially a valid source, and the infobox can put in the date of the completed version?
[[Special:Contributions/110.175.3.245|110.175.3.245]]<sup>[[User talk:110.175.3.245#top|talk to me]]</sup> 12:24, November 25, 2017 (UTC)
:This is currently being discussed at [[Thread:226169]]. --[[User:Borisashton|Borisashton]] [[User talk:Borisashton|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 12:49, November 25, 2017 (UTC)
::Can someone tell us when that discussion has been closed up and the final verdict has been decided over the validity of the 2017 restoration of ''Shada''? [[User:JMC Red Dwarf|JMC Red Dwarf]] [[User talk:JMC Red Dwarf|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:38, January 22, 2018 (UTC)
:::The discussion hasn't been officially closed, since anyone still can comment on the Thread, but as far as i can see, everyone was positive about making Shada a valid story. [[User:P.H. CP|P.H. CP]] [[User talk:P.H. CP|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 01:36, January 23, 2018 (UTC)
::::Thank you. You’ll still tell us when the discussion has been officially closed, right? It’s just really frustrating that this whole issue over the validity of the 2017 restoration of ''Shada'' is unresolved. [[User:JMC Red Dwarf|JMC Red Dwarf]] [[User talk:JMC Red Dwarf|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 04:09, January 23, 2018 (UTC)
:::::JMC, if you're really interested in getting the topic closed, you could pester an [[Tardis:Administrators|admin]] on their talk page. – [[User:NateBumber|N8]] [[User_talk:NateBumber|☎]] 12:43, January 23, 2018 (UTC)
::::::It's not necessary to "pester" an admin; we are aware of the forum discussion and its current state. Thanks, [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 13:57, January 23, 2018 (UTC)
:::The thread has now closed and the 2017 version was ruled in favour of validity. Check [[Thread:226169#43|the final post]] for details. --[[User:Borisashton|Borisashton]] [[User talk:Borisashton|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 00:33, February 7, 2018 (UTC)
=== Cast and crew of unfinished versions ===
As per [[Thread:226169]]'s conclusion, the main page should contain the cast/crew of the finished version, with the unfinished cast and crew added into the notes section, ''when'' they differ from the finished version. Moving both cast and crew lists from the 1993 unfinished VHS here for now.
==== 1993 unfinished VHS cast ====
* Presented by Tom Baker
* [[Fourth Doctor|Doctor Who]] - [[Tom Baker]]
* [[Romana II|Romana]] - [[Lalla Ward]]
* [[Skagra]] - [[Christopher Neame]]
* [[Chronotis|Professor Chronotis]] - [[Denis Carey]]
* [[Chris Parsons]] - [[Daniel Hill]]
* [[Clare Keightley]] - [[Victoria Burgoyne]]
* [[Wilkin|Porter]] - [[Gerald Campion]]
* [[A. St. John D. Caldera|Professor Caldera]] - [[Derek Pollitt]]
* [[Think Tank (space station)|Computer Voice]] / [[K9|Voice of K9]] - [[David Brierley]]
* [[Police constable (Shada)|Constable]] - [[John Hallett]]
* Voice of Skagra's ship - [[Shirley Dixon]]
==== 1993 unfinished VHS crew ====
* [[Writer]] - [[Douglas Adams]]
* Theme Music
** [[Ron Grainer]]
** [[BBC Radiophonic Workshop]]
* [[Production Assistant|Production Manager]] - [[Ralph Wilton]]
* [[Production Assistant]] - [[Olivia Bazalgette]]
* [[Assistant Floor Manager]] - [[Val McCrimmon]]
* Senior Cameraman - Alec Wheal
* [[Film Cameraman|Film Camera]] - [[Fintan Sheehan]]
* Film Recordist - Ron Blight
* [[Film Editor]] - [[Tariq Anwar]]
* Technical Manager - Tony Bate
* Visual Effects Designer - Dave Havard
* Electronic Effects Operator - Dave Chapman
* Vision Mixer - James Gould
* [[Studio Lighting]] - [[Mike Jefferies|Mike Jeffries]]
* Studio Sound - John Hartshorn
* [[Costumes|Costume Designer]] - [[Rupert Jarvis|Rupert Roxburghe-Jarvis]]
* [[Make-Up|Make-up Designer]] - [[Kim Burns]]
* [[Script Editor]] - [[Douglas Adams]]
* [[Designer (crew)|Designer]] - [[Vic Meredith|Victor Meredith]]
* [[Producer]] - [[Graham Williams]]
* [[Director]] - [[Pennant Roberts]]
* Links Recorder at the Museum of the Moving Image, London
* Cameraman - Gerry Ellis
* Sound - Dave Hill
* Make-up - Erika Wareing
* Lighting - Ian Dow
* Krarg Supplied by Lorne Martin
* Incidental Music - Keff McCulloch
* [[Special Sounds]] - [[Dick Mills]]
* Sound Dubbing - Gemini Audio
* Researcher - Ross McGinley
* Video Tape Editor - Simon Ashcroft
* Additional Effects - Ace Editing
* Producer - John-Nathan Turner
If someone has the time, they can compare this list with the one present on the main page, and add the relevant missing information of the appropriate sections. [[User:OncomingStorm12th|OncomingStorm12th]] [[User talk:OncomingStorm12th|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:16, April 22, 2018 (UTC)
:Also, given these were credited on [[DWM 267]], they should be added back ''if'' they are still relevant to the 2017 release, '''if''' we have [[T:OOU SRC]] backing that information up. [[User:OncomingStorm12th|OncomingStorm12th]] [[User talk:OncomingStorm12th|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 18:20, April 22, 2018 (UTC)
==== Uncredited cast ====
* [[Romana I]] - [[Mary Tamm]] (stock footage)
* Young scientists ([[DWM 267]])
** [[Graham Cole]]
** Terry Creasey
** [[Norman Bradley]]
** [[Ken Sedd]]
** Tony Graham
* Students ([[DWM 267]])
** [[David Cole]]
** Richard English
** Harry Bunges
* Don - [[Colin Thomas|Colin Thomas (]][[DWM 267]])
* Themselves - The Cambridge Choristers ([[DWM 267]])
* Passers-by ([[DWM 267]])
** Tria Lining
** Beth Turner
** Lynn Goliday
** Roger Neate
** Richard English
** Harry Bunges
* Old scientists ([[DWM 267]])
** John Dolan
** [[Ernest Jennings]]
** [[Johnny Clayton]] ([[L. D. Ia]])
** Max Mundy
== BBC America broadcast ==
Should the broadcast of the 2017 version of Shada on BBC America from 8:00 pm to 11:00 pm Pacific Standard Time be mentioned on this article? ([[User:JMC Red Dwarf|JMC Red Dwarf]] [[User talk:JMC Red Dwarf|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 17:46, July 20, 2018 (UTC))
=== Premiere broadcast ===
:On a related note, is there a reason the infobox for this story just says 2017? The lead mentions that the original broadcast took place on 19 July 2017, on BBC America.{{User:SOTO/sig}} 02:19, July 10, 2020 (UTC)
== Infobox ==
Is it just me, or is most of the infobox not showing up properly? It shows up fine in an edit preview. [[User:Chubby Potato|Chubby Potato]] [[User talk:Chubby Potato|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 04:08, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
: It's not showing up properly for me either. [[User:LauraBatham|LauraBatham]] [[User talk:LauraBatham|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 07:30, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
== Representative, not Referee ==
"...and Script Editor/Union Ref Gary Russell"
I think you'll find he was a Rep, not a Ref. [[Special:Contributions/8.20.101.185|8.20.101.185]]<sup>[[User talk:8.20.101.185#top|talk to me]]</sup> 11:57, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
== Home video ==
Shouldn't the DVD animation release have a separate page as "(home video)" page? BananaClownMan 22:22, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 20:25, 25 April 2023

"A man who is probably Chronotis reappears in PROSE: Unnatural History as Professor Daniel Joyce."

One of the authors of Unnatural History specifically denies this in a Usenet post:

http://groups.google.co.uk/group/rec.arts.drwho/msg/c1d45b12d98e3bcd?hl=en&

195.93.21.103 22:00, April 23, 2010 (UTC)

Prisoners of Shada[[edit source]]

Should the prisoners of Shada be added to the cast list? Or should a list of them merely be added to the Story Notes?

My sources are from In Vision's issue 44 of Shada and Doctor Who Plotlines - Shada.

The prisoners and the actors / actresses who would of played them are:

Lucretia Borgia - Ann Lee

Boedicia - Joan Harsant

Lady Macbeth - Shirley Conrad

Salome - Julie Le Rousse

Executioner - John Cannon

Rasputin - Derek Moss

Nero - Barry Summerford

Gladiator - Steve Kelly

Genghis Khan - Dave Cooper

Dalek - Steve Ismay

Cyberman - Ridgewell Hawkes

Zygon - Les Shannon

Other prisoners not mentioned in the cast list but elsewhere in the magazine were:

Rungar, a war criminal

Sabjatric, a mass murderer

Wirrn

Invalid source[[edit source]]

According to T:VALID this is invalid because it is one big deleted scene. Therefore, I am adding an invalid source tag.--104.32.214.184talk to me 23:39, November 29, 2014 (UTC)

Continuity[[edit source]]

It is a policy of this wiki that stories labelled as "invalid source" do not have continuity. I have removed the continuity entries from this article and am placing them here. Shambala108 ☎ 00:07, August 15, 2015 (UTC)

If I remember correctly, there's clips of both Romanas in Resurrection of the Daleks.165.225.80.225talk to me 16:40, November 23, 2017 (UTC)

Shada on Gold[[edit source]]

just wondering abuot this clip wich seems to show that the 1992 version of shada was shown on uk gold in 1995 just wondering if its real or fake and wether it whoud make shada valid <--removed per Tardis:Video policy-->

Because this story has now been officially completed by the BBC, even getting a cinema (as of writing), DVD and Blu-Ray release (2 weeks from release as of writing), wouldn't it now be officially a valid source, and the infobox can put in the date of the completed version?

110.175.3.245talk to me 12:24, November 25, 2017 (UTC)

This is currently being discussed at Thread:226169. --Borisashton ☎ 12:49, November 25, 2017 (UTC)
Can someone tell us when that discussion has been closed up and the final verdict has been decided over the validity of the 2017 restoration of Shada? JMC Red Dwarf ☎ 18:38, January 22, 2018 (UTC)
The discussion hasn't been officially closed, since anyone still can comment on the Thread, but as far as i can see, everyone was positive about making Shada a valid story. P.H. CP ☎ 01:36, January 23, 2018 (UTC)
Thank you. You’ll still tell us when the discussion has been officially closed, right? It’s just really frustrating that this whole issue over the validity of the 2017 restoration of Shada is unresolved. JMC Red Dwarf ☎ 04:09, January 23, 2018 (UTC)
JMC, if you're really interested in getting the topic closed, you could pester an admin on their talk page. – N8 ☎ 12:43, January 23, 2018 (UTC)
It's not necessary to "pester" an admin; we are aware of the forum discussion and its current state. Thanks, Shambala108 ☎ 13:57, January 23, 2018 (UTC)
The thread has now closed and the 2017 version was ruled in favour of validity. Check the final post for details. --Borisashton ☎ 00:33, February 7, 2018 (UTC)

Cast and crew of unfinished versions[[edit source]]

As per Thread:226169's conclusion, the main page should contain the cast/crew of the finished version, with the unfinished cast and crew added into the notes section, when they differ from the finished version. Moving both cast and crew lists from the 1993 unfinished VHS here for now.

1993 unfinished VHS cast[[edit source]]

1993 unfinished VHS crew[[edit source]]

If someone has the time, they can compare this list with the one present on the main page, and add the relevant missing information of the appropriate sections. OncomingStorm12th ☎ 18:16, April 22, 2018 (UTC)

Also, given these were credited on DWM 267, they should be added back if they are still relevant to the 2017 release, if we have T:OOU SRC backing that information up. OncomingStorm12th ☎ 18:20, April 22, 2018 (UTC)

Uncredited cast[[edit source]]

BBC America broadcast[[edit source]]

Should the broadcast of the 2017 version of Shada on BBC America from 8:00 pm to 11:00 pm Pacific Standard Time be mentioned on this article? (JMC Red Dwarf ☎ 17:46, July 20, 2018 (UTC))

Premiere broadcast[[edit source]]

On a related note, is there a reason the infobox for this story just says 2017? The lead mentions that the original broadcast took place on 19 July 2017, on BBC America.
× SOTO (☎/✍/↯) 02:19, July 10, 2020 (UTC)

Infobox[[edit source]]

Is it just me, or is most of the infobox not showing up properly? It shows up fine in an edit preview. Chubby Potato ☎ 04:08, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

It's not showing up properly for me either. LauraBatham ☎ 07:30, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

Representative, not Referee[[edit source]]

"...and Script Editor/Union Ref Gary Russell"

I think you'll find he was a Rep, not a Ref. 8.20.101.185talk to me 11:57, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

Home video[[edit source]]

Shouldn't the DVD animation release have a separate page as "(home video)" page? BananaClownMan 22:22, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

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