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== "Ears conspiracy" ==
Hi, sorry this reply took so long, been wrapped up in my university finals for the past few weeks. I have looked further into what I like to call the "Ears conspiracy"; When the Doctor first looks in Rosa's mirror, he does more than comment on his ears. He full on says it "could have been worse", alluding to a recent regeneration that he hasn't seen the end result from. And, in ''The Beast of Babylon'', he only starts talking about Rose when telling Ali about his trip to Earth from ''Rose'', and when saying Ali has traits similar to her. Granted, he brings the whole thing up at random after showing the planet to her, so perhaps it's still a recent thing for him. But, he still talks about "when [he] met Rose, [he]'d only just regenerated", "still finding [his] feet", with a mindset of "new body, new start, new companion".


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To be honest, I was kind'a hoping to not find anything when I was looking into this; I like the theory and solution you and I came up with together. But, facts like these can't be ignored, otherwise we'd be divulging into the taboo that is speculation and theorising by selecting what print we choose to follow.


== Update ==
Also, while I'm here, you recently moved ''The Bleeding Heart'' to before ''The Oncoming Storm''. Does the Doctor act the same as he does in ''The Oncoming Storm'', or is he using his blue sonic screwdriver in ''The Oncoming Storm''? Sorry to be a pain about it, but I don't have the funds to listen to ''The Churchill Years'' or ''Ninth Doctor Chronicles'' and have to get my infomsation ftom second hand sources to update the [http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Theory:Timeline_-_Ninth_Doctor timeline theory page]. Perhaps I could interest you into editing it with me, since you clearly know more about the Ninth Doctor's Big Finish adventures than I do at the moment.


Just thought you might want to know that I contacted wikia regarding the background issue. They promptly replied with:
Hope you have a nice day,
{{quote|We are currently having some image server issues going on related to purging of images from our caches as they are uploaded. Our technical team is currently working on finding the cause and resolving it.|Wikia}}
[[User:BananaClownMan|BananaClownMan]] [[User talk:BananaClownMan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 00:45, April 3, 2018 (UTC)
They didn't provide a time-scale for a solution so I can only hope its prior to Saturday. Thanks----[[User:Skittles the hog|Skittles the hog]]--<small>[[User talk:Skittles the hog|Talk]]</small> 15:17, May 4, 2011 (UTC)


Is the new background fitting on your screen? It's aligned to the right a bit more than the last one. Thanks----[[User:Skittles the hog|Skittles the hog]]--<small>[[User talk:Skittles the hog|Talk]]</small> 15:29, May 5, 2011 (UTC)
I haven't found any ''Vortex'' or forums in Google search, but have made a note of it with a source tag anyway. I did find that free audio you mentioned, thank you for that. Will give it a listen when I have the time.[[User:BananaClownMan|BananaClownMan]] [[User talk:BananaClownMan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 19:39, April 3, 2018 (UTC)


Really? I haven't touched it. I'll upload a new version moved left a bit. You may have to refresh your cache in 5. Thanks for helping me "perfect" this. :)----[[User:Skittles the hog|Skittles the hog]]--<small>[[User talk:Skittles the hog|Talk]]</small> 15:32, May 5, 2011 (UTC)
It would seem the novelisation of ''The Day of the Doctor'' has brought an end to our debate. According to [[User:NateBumber]], the freshly regenerated Ninth Doctor smashed all the TARDIS mirrors due to a vow he took to never find out what face he was wearing, apparently to atone for killing the children of Gallifrey. With this knowledge, we now know why he said "could have been worse" when accidently looking at Rose's mirror; he's emotionally recovered enough to not be bothered about catching an accidental glimpse, and analyse his features. I think you're right about the "ears complex"; he's probably felt them enough to dislike them, and getting a good look at them did not changed his opinion.[[User:BananaClownMan|BananaClownMan]] [[User talk:BananaClownMan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 20:46, April 5, 2018 (UTC)


I think you may have missed it as it's a bit obscure. I've uploaded a new version now.----[[User:Skittles the hog|Skittles the hog]]--<small>[[User talk:Skittles the hog|Talk]]</small> 15:38, May 5, 2011 (UTC)


Yeah. I have been notified of similar problems. I think its just a case of finding a size that fits the majority.----[[User:Skittles the hog|Skittles the hog]]--<small>[[User talk:Skittles the hog|Talk]]</small> 15:15, May 6, 2011 (UTC)
You know, the novelisation of ''Rose'' might just of given us a rare moment in debating that scarcely happens; the chance for both parties to be right.
I believed that ''Rose'' happened early due to the Ninth Doctor's comments about how it "could have been worse" when looking in a mirror, and authorial intend behind the line.
You believed that ''Rose'' happened later due to, and I quote, "The Beast of Babylon [framing] all its story around [the ending of] Rose".
In the novelization, it is mentioned that there was a twelve week gap between these two incidences, which does not seem to contradict the television story and making it valid by the wiki's rules. If my math is right, that leaves 84 days maximum unaccounted for.


Done!----[[User:Skittles the hog|Skittles the hog]]--<small>[[User talk:Skittles the hog|Talk]]</small> 16:55, May 6, 2011 (UTC)
I propose that at the tail end of his "early days", he meets Rose at Hendrik's, gets the Auton arm and then leaves, believing his work done. After his twelve weeks of "solitary exploits" (that can include the anthology short stories and cameo appearances), he returns to London again for whatever reason, properly the TARDIS bringing him to "where [he] needed to be" I guess.


==Come on, Revan! (RE: Doug86)==
What do you think?
Do you hate Doug86? Cokme on, admit it! I certainly do! Do you dislike Doug86? Do you? Has he ever deleted a page straight away that you created like 90.215.45.50's Temporal Anomaly? Well? [[User:Doug87|Doug87]] 19:27, May 15, 2011 (UTC)
[[User:BananaClownMan|BananaClownMan]] [[User talk:BananaClownMan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 21:26, April 20, 2018 (UTC)


PS: Leave the answer below, please, as I have no talk page. [[User:Doug87|Doug87]] 19:29, May 15, 2011 (UTC)
== "Whoisdoctorwho.co.uk" question ==
How come the information from [[Whoisdoctorwho.co.uk]] is in the behinds the scenes section of pages with the out-of-universe information, but the page and all related pages are categorized as in-universe information?


=="Doug87"==
If its a lack of citation needed on the main sections, why not use ([[WC]]: ''[[Defending the Earth!|Who is Doctor Who]]'')?
I've deleted the message you left on "Doug87" as the user doesn't exist (if they did they'd have a talk welcome page), the user page/contributions page has no contributions or deleted contributions. I think there's a few IP users masquerading as "Doug87", the user who left the talk comment above (90.210.131.149) also left a few talk page comments on [http://tardis.wikia.com/index.php?title=User_talk%3ATangerineduel&action=historysubmit&diff=581850&oldid=580322 my talk page] where they pretend to be 4 different users. I've deleted your comment left on "Doug87"'s talk page just so the user doesn't gain any legitimacy (please restore it if you think it should be left intact though). Thanks. --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] / '''[[User talk:Tangerineduel|talk]]''' 14:27, May 16, 2011 (UTC)
[[User:BananaClownMan|BananaClownMan]] [[User talk:BananaClownMan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 16:50, April 8, 2018 (UTC)


== Deletion policy ==
== Renaming The War ==
Hey there Revan! Seeing as you're (to my knowledge) the most FP-familiar admin, I was just wondering if you'd be willing to take a gander at my suggestion to rename [[The War]] to [[War in Heaven]], based on the arguments presented at [[Talk:The War]] and [[The War#Naming]]. There's no rush at all, but I really do think it would help with disambiguation and a lot of other stuff. So let me know what you think! – [[User:NateBumber|N8]] [[User_talk:NateBumber|☎]] 21:08, July 17, 2018 (UTC)


Hey, I just wanted to ask you opinion on adding the following to [[Tardis:Deletion policy]] (or something to the same affect).
== Reaching out ==
Hi! I bumped into an edit that falls into the area where we had disagreements before. For reasons I will explain shortly, I believe that this is just an echo of some old decisions. I would hate to bring this to the kind of attention and emotion that these debates usually get. Thus, I am reaching out in the hope, based on your earlier positions, that we can agree on how this should be treated. The edit in question is about the first appearance of the [[Thirteenth Doctor]]. Based on your seeming reluctance in the past to accept her first appearance to be in a mini-short story published by CJB, I hope that you would consider the current state equally inappropriate. Note that first appearances can be used by editors to determine copyright for characters. So having this particular story listed as her first appearance seems to give the copyright for her to [[Sue Hampton]].  


:"Brevity is not a reason for deletion unless the subject matter is covered by an article with a similar agenda."
Thing is, this novel was released back in August 2017, around the time of the mini-short. A lot of time passed since then. There were the "fireworks" around the Christmas special (a grandfather dilemma, if you will). And then the two copyright-wielding sides found a compromise. (Or at least that's how it looks to me. At the very least they stopped lobbing public cease-and-desist messages.) Given these later developments, I really would not want to rekindle the state of affairs the way it was in August 2017. This is a genuine dispute that exists objectively beyond the wiki. And a truce within and without the wiki is as good as it gets for now. Thus, I am contacting you before taking any action. I would appreciate it if you could let me know your position on what should be the first appearance of the Thirteenth Doctor. If we can agree on that, we can try to find the least invasive change that would not disturb the truce. [[User:Amorkuz|Amorkuz]] [[User talk:Amorkuz|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 00:14, September 9, 2018 (UTC)


I'm not trying to suggest we list all the invalid reasons for deletion but cases like this seem to be quite prevalent and so it would be nice to have something to refer to. It's not a big change, but it would be quite handy. What do you think?----[[User:Skittles the hog|Skittles the hog]]--<small>[[User talk:Skittles the hog|Talk]]</small> 13:08, May 30, 2011 (UTC)
: Great! That makes three of us agreeing on the edit, already implemented by [[User:TheChampionOfTime|TheChampionOfTime]]. Additionally, he clarified that August 2017 was just a pre-release, so no rules need to be broken. Unbeknownst to me, the regular release of this book was in January, after the Christmas special. And discounting pre-releases is a standard practice. For instance, pre-screenings of episodes have been discounted multiple times.


== We need to settle the validity of FP as a resource before you continue adding tons of material about it ==
: It also turned out to be a good opportunity to compare our views and learn that they are in agreement as far as the big picture is concerned. I completely agree that CJB is part of DWU. I even agree, as a fan, that it is nice to see nods to (or cameos of) various Doctors/companions. It is the towing of some reasonable line that I have been struggling with. Since I do not have a satisfactory regular solution, lately I generally try not to edit CJB (modulo renaming edits). But cases like this must be resolved in one way or another. And while I certainly did not expect any edit wars, I was worried that, were I to perform the same edit done by TheChampionOfTime (CoT), it could be viewed as not sufficiently impartial by editors who hold CJB dear to their hearts. Thus, my original plan was to ask whether you agree and, if yes, to ask ''you'' to make the change to avoid any suspicions of one-sidedness. I believe that CoT's edit and your stated position achieve this goal. So I am quite happy with the result. I am even happier that there was no need to make an exception or invent some artificial rule in order to achieve this result.


Please stop writing articles so as to suggest that an FP source has claimed something about Gallifrey, Time Lords, the Doctor, or any other BBC-copyrighted item. If you can't produce a page number in a FP book '''that actually says "Gallifrey"'''' then don't claim that an FP source talks about Gallifrey.  I know you love FP, and you're ''au fait'' with all the little "code words" and sly references to BBC concepts, but please don't go beyond what the text ''actually'' says. 
: Thanks for weighing in on this. And happy editing! [[User:Amorkuz|Amorkuz]] [[User talk:Amorkuz|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 23:15, September 10, 2018 (UTC)


It's highly misleading to readers to claim that ''[[Of the City of the Saved...]]'' says something about a [[Time Lord]] named [[Handramit]] who left [[Gallifrey]] when neither "Time Lord" nor "Gallifrey" appears in the text of the book.
== Kahning blast from the past ==
Hi, it's been 7 years since [[Special:Diff/1131954|this edit]], but now it is very important, all of a sudden. Do you, by any chance, remember the origins of this spelling? Was "Kahn" based on any written source or purely phonetic? Thank you in advance for your time. [[User:Amorkuz|Amorkuz]] [[User talk:Amorkuz|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 08:52, January 30, 2019 (UTC)


There is only one narrative about Faction Paradox that is true to the DWU, and that's the one that happened in the EDAs. The Lawrence Miles spin-off wasn't allowed to refer to anything in the DWU by its proper name for legal reasons. We can't now go back in and try to decipher the code language that he used to get around legal restrictions. It's absolute madness for us to attempt something like that.
: Thanks for confirming. It is exactly as I expected. I just wanted to make sure I did not miss some source in my search. The reason I was asking (as I'm sure you have guessed) is that with everything we've learned recently, "Khan" seems to be a spelling more in tune with ''[[Fallout (audio story)|Fallout]]''{{'}}s Yasmin's Punjabi roots, which are explicitly mentioned in the story. I did some quick digging at {{w|Khan (surname)}}, {{w|Kahn}} and {{w|Kan (surname)}}, and only one seems to be consistent with the character's provenance. Not really the conclusion I would have preferred myself, but here we are... I guess I'll go and put a rename tag then. Don't think it's clear enough for a speedy rename. [[User:Amorkuz|Amorkuz]] [[User talk:Amorkuz|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 09:16, January 30, 2019 (UTC)


Obviously this is just my very strong opinion, and not policy.  I'm just asking you to stop making these kind of articles until the matter can be settled once and for all by community consensus.  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">'''19:11:25 Mon&nbsp;'''30 May 2011&nbsp;</span>
== Re: A Farewell ==
Well, thank you so much! You have no idea how much this means to me. And as you noticed, I also must thank you for partially inspiring the story by making me think deeper about the Weapon/Moment!


== Protection ==
As for your question: well first, let me note that ''I'' didn't add info about the Greater Key to those pages. Our fellow FP fan [[User:TheChampionOfTime]] picked up on that and did it without my input (which I greatly, greatly appreciate). I've been doing my best to avoid adding anything to the wiki based on my own stories - not because I don't want to, but because I'm afraid I'd be violating some rule in the process. (I seem to recall Cody Schell was banned for something similar during the original thread about Señor 105, but that's since been deleted, so I'm not quite sure.)


Hey, just wanted to make sure you know that the protection template only forms that label, it doesn't protect the article. I protected [[River Song]]; just undo it when your done. :)----<u>[[User:Skittles the hog|Skittles the hog]]--<small>[[User talk:Skittles the hog|Talk]]</small></u> 19:14, June 4, 2011 (UTC)
But in any case, that's been the main thing stopping me from putting anything relevant on the pages for [[the War King]] and [[the Magistrate]]. I'm glad you spotted that nod to their shared identity, which I certainly intended to be an further confirmation of something that's been hinted at since their first appearances. So I agree with you that the connection should definitely be mentioned on both pages, even if I won't be the one to put it there!


Yeah. Good move.----<u>[[User:Skittles the hog|Skittles the hog]]--<small>[[User talk:Skittles the hog|Talk]]</small></u> 19:59, June 4, 2011 (UTC)
[Edit: A mention on both pages *at the very least*, that is. I definitely think a merge wouldn't be out-of-order at all.]


::Hey, I'm really worried about this lock that you and Skittles have jointly done at [[River Song]].  Locking a main character's page during the period of time when most editors really want to write about that character is a bit of an own goal.  Fine, we want to protect pages about stories that haven't been published before.  But locking [[River Song]] ''after'' an episode with a big revelation about her? We really don't have any cause to do that, except possibly if there were an actual edit war.  We ''want'' a lot of activity after episodes are broadcast.  Sure there might be moments where an article reads rough during that creative process, but we don't want to stop all editing dead in its tracks.  In simplest terms, that's just no ''fun'' for our editors.  We're already having a tough time making them understand why they've got to wait until an episode is broadcast to edit the page about it.  We can't very well then turn around and say, "Now you can't edit ''after'' that episode has gone out." 
Thank you again for such a kind review! – [[User:NateBumber|N8]] [[User_talk:NateBumber|☎]] 00:14, February 26, 2019 (UTC)


::We want people writing when they're most enthusiastic about a subject.  Some of the revisions are gonna be crap, but if we have faith in the wiki process, the article will soon find its level. 
== Obverse expertise sought ==


::Also, you're kinda misrepresenting things at [[Talk:River Song#Why is it locked?]] when you say, "it was protected before".  Yes, the article has been ''protected'' before, but never locked. There is no precedent for this action you've taken; I'm pretty sure that I've never seen a new series character page ''ever'' fully locked before.
Hi! I was wondering if you might have access to ''[[Iris Wildthyme of Mars (anthology)|Iris Wildthyme of Mars]]'' and, if so, whether you could help simultaneously uphold our wiki's policies and show that we as a community value the efforts authors put into entertaining us by fleshing out a page of a story. An [[Special:Diff/2684267|author pleaded with admin to help her do that]]. I would have done it myself, but do not have this particular anthology. Sorry for bothering you otherwise. [[User:Amorkuz|Amorkuz]] [[User talk:Amorkuz|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 14:50, March 6, 2019 (UTC)


::Please remove the lock ASAP. It's pissin' reasonable editors off, as evidenced by the discussion on the rest of the page.  Indeed, editors who could have helped you police the page have now been alienated by the lock. Locking isn't really supposed to be done in the main [[namespace]], save for instituting a cool-down period during a genuine edit war.  As indicated at [[tardis:protection policy]], Its main use is really in other namespaces, like template:, file:, tardis: and help:. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">'''06:47:35 Thu&nbsp;'''09 Jun 2011&nbsp;</span>
== Image policy ==
I'm trying to get an image policy finalized, and would like to invite you to discuss it on [[Thread:247941]].


==Doomsday (RE: Stop it)==
Sincerely,
Stop reverting my edits to the Doomsday page! It is absolutely uncalled for! [[Special:Contributions/90.210.131.174|90.210.131.174]] 19:37, June 8, 2011 (UTC)
[[User:BananaClownMan|BananaClownMan]] [[User talk:BananaClownMan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 22:27, March 21, 2019 (UTC)


{{Please see|A few changes?}} [[User:Mini-mitch|Mini-mitch]]\[[User talk:Mini-mitch|talk]] 17:30, June 10, 2011 (UTC)
== Wiki Manager ==


== Eight image ==
Hi Revanvolatrelundar! My name is Playsonic2 and I’m the Fandom Wiki Manager assigned to TARDIS Data Core. I am here to help the community and be a liaison to full-time Fandom staff.


Seeing as you are sort of the [[Eighth Doctor]] guru, I was wondering if you prefer [[:File:Eight.jpg|this]] image? The current one makes him look a bit bashful.----<u>[[User:Skittles the hog|Skittles the hog]]--<small>[[User talk:Skittles the hog|Talk]]</small></u> 21:18, June 13, 2011 (UTC)
I also happen to be an administrator at the Spanish Doctor Who Wiki, which has me spending considerable amount of time here (adding interlanguage links mostly). I know this wiki wonderfully organised and that [[user:CzechOut|CzechOut]] assists with any technical issues, but if there is anything I could assist with, I would be pleased to help. I will be available on my talk page! ~[[User:Playsonic2|Playsonic2]] 09:05, May 20, 2019 (UTC)


== The Absolute ==
:Hi! I’m here to share the news that Fandom has an official Discord server now. Feel free to check [[w:User blog:MisterWoodhouse/The Official Discord Server for Fandom and Gamepedia Editors|this blog post from Community Central]], which includes more details and, of course, the server invite link. Editors from many different communities and staff members are there chatting already - you (and other editors!) are invited to join as well. [[User:Playsonic2|Playsonic2]] [[User talk:Playsonic2|<span title="Talk">☎</span>]] 07:46, July 11, 2019 (UTC)


I don't suppose you remember but your revision of [[the Absolute]] categorised it under robots. I just categorised it under [[:Category:Unique beings|Unique beings]] as I wasn't sure. Any insight as to which it was, I cannot remember?----<u>[[User:Skittles the hog|Skittles the hog]]--<small>[[User talk:Skittles the hog|Talk]]</small></u> 17:32, June 21, 2011 (UTC)
== Block request ==


== Reverted The Eternity Trap ==
Hi. Could I ask you to take some action on the user Zanda21. This user engaged in an edit war, ignored Shambala, Borisashton and me, and made personal attacks. Shambala does not block people anymore, apparently, so I would request you to take some action. If you don't mind. :) --[[User:Danniesen|DCLM]] [[User talk:Danniesen|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 16:19, August 11, 2019 (UTC)
:Hi, you can ignore this request, I've blocked the user for violating [[Tardis:No personal attacks]]. Thanks [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 16:26, August 11, 2019 (UTC)


Why was my edit for ''[[The Eternity Trap]]'''s crew members removed entirely? According to the [[Tardis: Format for television stories|Format for television stories]], it's perfectly fine, if not outright ''preferred'' to use [[Template:Wales crew]] for the BBC Wales spinoffs. [[Special:Contributions/94.2.154.27|94.2.154.27]] 19:54, June 27, 2011 (UTC)
== Re: ==
:: And yes, I know about the whole "two casting directors not showing up" bit, which I asked at [[Template talk:Wales crew|the tag's discussion page]] to sort out around the same time I edited. Still doesn't completely answer my question. [[Special:Contributions/94.2.154.27|94.2.154.27]] 20:00, June 27, 2011 (UTC)
::Not 100% sure what you mean about "neither showing up", though. I can see one of them just fine in the previous edit. Are credits beneath that not working or something? [[Special:Contributions/94.2.154.27|94.2.154.27]] 20:24, June 27, 2011 (UTC)


== Category problems  ==
I appreciate your clarification. It is always preferable to talk and understand each other's positions even when there are strong disagreements on them. To return the courtesy, let me expand on my explanation in the thread. The reason the stories were deleted was a combination of [[T:NOT]] and [[T:OFF REL]]. Since the book with these stories was (and still is) only in preparation, there was no reason to keep the pages. I am now aware that we have a fundamental disagreement on what is considered an official release. However, I was not aware of it while performing the deletion, again for the simple reason that there had been no community discussion before the creation of the pages. In particular, I do not equate a publication of a story by author A on the official website of the BBC (like ''[[Christmas Special (WEB short story)|Christmas Special]]'') with a blog post by author A on the website of author A. Therefore, I did not see any precedents for considering these stories released.


Are you currently unable to add categories in the usual way when in editing mode? At the moment I'm having to type them out by hand and was wondering if this problem was widespread or just personal.--<u>[[User:Skittles the hog|Skittles the hog]]--<small>[[User talk:Skittles the hog|Talk]]</small></u> 15:39, June 28, 2011 (UTC)
Let me use this opportunity to clarify the question of my alleged bias against the author and/or his stories. My opposition is purely procedural. If these stories are posted by [[Obverse Books]] on ''their'' website, I change my vote to inclusion on the condition that the release date is the date of the publication on the Obverse website. There is no reason for me to care about three more FP stories. As explained in the thread, it is the manner of the publication that troubles me. After a hiatus, I am planning to continue explaining there why.


Thanks. I love quotes, it almost makes it worth the problem...almost.----<u>[[User:Skittles the hog|Skittles the hog]]--<small>[[User talk:Skittles the hog|Talk]]</small></u> 16:01, June 28, 2011 (UTC)
Finally, I would ask you to reread my post that you took to be "asserting" your bias. If you do that, you will see that no such assertion was made. I stated that it was not publicly known at the time whether you had any relationship to the books being discussed. It is standard practice in legal proceedings, in journalism, in scientific reviewing and on {{w|Wikipedia:Conflict of Interest|Wikipedia}} to clearly and voluntarily announce existing and clarify suspected conflicts of interests. I thank you for responding by explaining that you are not in any way related to the stories. I accepted this explanation and was completely satisfied by it. [[User:Amorkuz|Amorkuz]] [[User talk:Amorkuz|<span title="Talk to me"></span>]] 21:58, September 3, 2019 (UTC)


==Time Field==
== Re: thread closings ==
I was wondering, why did you rename Cracks in Time to Time Field, when quite a lot of people would agree that Cracks in Time would be a better name, AND delete the talk page? [[User:TroopDude|TroopDude]]


{{please see|Years - Separate pages or Century pages}} --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] / '''[[User talk:Tangerineduel|talk]]''' 15:40, June 30, 2011 (UTC)
Hi, yeah, I sometimes have that trouble too. That's why most of my closings just have the message "See final post", because if the message is too long, it just won't post. Just one of the many things wrong with those message boards. Too bad we can't go back to the old forum posts - easier to post and easier to find. Thanks [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 15:55, September 26, 2019 (UTC)


== Edits on River Song page ==
== The War Romance ==


Hello, can you tell me the reason why you have reverted my edits on the River Song page? I spent quite some time delving into episodes for quotes and details so that the information is accurate. If you have anything to say about the accuracy we can discuss it, but to completely revert my edits there has to be a good reason.
Thanks for moving Paperman to The War Romance. At the time that I noticed the page name, I was on my phone on a bus, so wasn't sure of the protocol, or how to put in the request formally, but I knew Amorkuz had previously given some advice when I had tried moving a page before, so thought I'd ask them for help raising it. Usually I'd check the correct protocol on my laptop these days to report it.
[[User:Dakovski|Dakovski]] 05:25, July 4, 2011 (UTC)


== Help ==
Have a good spook month.


As an independent admin, I was wondering if you could review the situation at [[Talk:Silurian#Main image]]. I think that [[User:Cortion]] has breached [[Tardis:No personal attacks]], but as the target, it would be unfair to take action myself. Sorry to pressure you, there's no rush. Thanks----<u>[[User:Skittles the hog|Skittles the hog]]--<small>[[User talk:Skittles the hog|Talk]]</small></u> 11:14, July 8, 2011 (UTC)
[[User:ThomasRWade|ThomasRWade]] [[User talk:ThomasRWade|<span title="Talk to me"></span>]] 17:08, October 2, 2019 (UTC)
:If he has, I would suggest leaving the block until the discussion is finished. Which should hopefully be soon. [[User:Mini-mitch|Mini-mitch]]\[[User talk:Mini-mitch|talk]] 11:19, July 8, 2011 (UTC)


Thank you for taking the time to give me such a well laid out opinion. Yeah, Mini-mitch is right, the discussion should come first.----<u>[[User:Skittles the hog|Skittles the hog]]--<small>[[User talk:Skittles the hog|Talk]]</small></u> 11:39, July 8, 2011 (UTC)


:So you are going to block me then? [[User:Cortion|Cortion]] 12:33, July 8, 2011 (UTC)
I read the first LS book in 2017, then met a few of the authors that summer when they were doing a mini event thing in Cardiff. Started reading the series more around February 2018, and have been reading The Laughing Gnome series this past month (been getting them delivered as they released since A Very Private Haunting). I just thought I'd do my best to help out on those pages because they are fairly niche titles within the community for various reasons. I finally got The HAVOC Files 4 today from ebay, so have managed to confirm something I had thought was wrong with that anthology's page too. Just glad to have a great community here that's so helpful at ensuringthings are accurate (another series's wiki I once contributed to was nowhere near as community friendly).


::Please don't block me! I'm extremely sorry! I will change! Just give me a chance! [[User:Cortion|Cortion]] 12:42, July 8, 2011 (UTC)
Thanks again for the kind words.
:Why don't you block Skittles the hog, why me? I've done nothing! [[User:Cortion|Cortion]] 12:48, July 8, 2011 (UTC)
::I still don't understand. Just give me Saturday, Sunday and Monday off. I can cool down then. Tuesday if you must. But please not for a week! [[User:Cortion|Cortion]] 13:02, July 8, 2011 (UTC)
:::You are a very upsetting user, Revan. [[User:Cortion|Cortion]] 13:09, July 8, 2011 (UTC)


Thanks, but even though he was very hostile, I can't help feeling sorry for him. :( ----<u>[[User:Skittles the hog|Skittles the hog]]--<small>[[User talk:Skittles the hog|Talk]]</small></u> 13:14, July 8, 2011 (UTC)
[[User:ThomasRWade|ThomasRWade]] [[User talk:ThomasRWade|<span title="Talk to me"></span>]] 17:34, October 2, 2019 (UTC)


Oh, of course, we must observe policy. I wasn't trying to sway your judgement, just voice an opinion. Sorry for any confusion caused.----<u>[[User:Skittles the hog|Skittles the hog]]--<small>[[User talk:Skittles the hog|Talk]]</small></u> 13:22, July 8, 2011 (UTC)
== Request ==


== Christ! ==
I hate to do this, I know it's annoying, but I was wondering if you could take a look at giving a final consensus at [[Thread:212365]]? We've had it open for years and I just feel like it's done and is just waiting for that stamp of approval, but no one's invested enough to get around to it. [[User:OttselSpy25|OS25]][[User Talk:OttselSpy25|🤙☎️]] 21:40, November 21, 2019 (UTC)


Yep, thanks, that helps a lot. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">'''21:26:38 Mon&nbsp;'''11 Jul 2011&nbsp;</span>
== New Howling post ==
Could you please check my latest post at [[Howling:The Howling]]? I have an important question about the future of Doctor Who that I'd like to know how to handle. I won't just go ahead and create the page. --[[User:Danniesen|DCLM]] [[User talk:Danniesen|<span title="Talk to me"></span>]] 15:06, November 22, 2019 (UTC)


== Morgan ==
== Re: ==


Hi,
Thank you for your message. I am sad that it had to come to this. But I appreciate you taking responsibility for your mistakes, intended or unintended. That deserves respect. I would have made the same decision in your place. I wish you good luck in your writing and publishing endeavours.


Since I've been plunged into the same toxic environment as you for months, with multiple personal attacks against me, and with all other participants of the original decision to delete the stories (which was not even my suggestion) refusing to take the responsibility, I feel I can share some advice on how to stay sane while not actively editing on the wiki. The advice is offered sincerely and from personal experience, from one admin bruised in divisive inclusion debates to another. The obvious first step is to turn off the email notifications. But it might also be useful to unfollow all active forum threads. The reason for the latter is that, if you visit FANDOM under your login, even some other wiki, the counter of new forum messages will appear. It might be hard to resist looking, which was not helpful for me during my forced exile. With all notifications turned off, you are the master of which pages to visit (if any).


Just to say that I think Owen's involvment in the story is relevant, and also Ed didn't try to hug Gwen, this is a mistake. He threw himself onto the knife. That was deliberate; he is suicidal, paranoid and depressed.
I am also sad that my initial suggestion of what to do with these stories was rejected by the other admin. I proposed, among other things, to outline explicit rules about the conflict of interest and then begin the validity debate. Were the rules formulated explicitly, this situation could have been avoided.  


[[User:Thedarkestvillain|Thedarkestvillain]] 20:36, July 12, 2011 (UTC)
Fare thee well. [[User:Amorkuz|Amorkuz]] [[User talk:Amorkuz|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 00:24, January 12, 2020 (UTC)


== Hon Mrs Saxon ==
== Check on ==
Hello, User:Revanvolatrelundar. I just wanted to stop by and check how you were doing in these trying times of self-isolation?[[User:BananaClownMan|BananaClownMan]] [[User talk:BananaClownMan|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 09:53, April 16, 2020 (UTC)


Hullo there! I'm an experienced Wikian and I see you've reverted my first edit without citing a reason. I hate to bother, but would you mind explaining, please? [[User:Danbarnesdavies|DBD]] 20:55, July 18, 2011 (UTC)
== Merry Christmas ==


:It's not at all based on speculation – the article itself lists The Lord Cole of Tarminster as Saxon's father. That automatically means she was ''The Honourable''. That's about as solid as it gets. I'm not new to this [[User:Danbarnesdavies|DBD]] 23:27, July 19, 2011 (UTC)
Hello, there. I just wanted to stop by and wish you the merriest of Christmases, and a Happy New Year. [[User:BananaClownMan|BananaClownMan]] [[User talk:BananaClownMan|<span title="Talk to me"></span>]] 14:04, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
 
== The Impossible Astronaut ==
 
Please state the reason for your reversion of my edit to [[The Impossible Astronaut]], it was done in good faith, added information, and contains substantiated information from episode footage. [[User:Cowbert|Cowbert]] 02:43, July 31, 2011 (UTC)
 
{{Please see|Alienation of new and IP users}} [[User:Mini-mitch|MM]]/<small>[[User talk:Mini-mitch|Want to talk?]]</small> 20:33, August 9, 2011 (UTC)
==Zamper==
Heya :)  I'm not quite sure why you re-created [[Zamper (planet)]].  Maybe you just didn't read the list of previous deletions before you hit "submit".  (Maybe, somehow, you got to the create page in such a way that you bypassed the delete log.) In any event, please remember that [[tardis:disambiguation policy]] would give the un-disambiguated form to the in-universe item, in this case, the planet.  You'll therefore find a thriving article on this topic at [[Zamper]]. {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">'''13:08:16 Fri&nbsp;'''12 Aug 2011&nbsp;</span>
:No worries.  I think that was actually my fault for not having the bot look at the novel page when it was doing the original switchover from Zamper to Zamper (novel) and Zamper (planet) back to Zamper.  I just manually changed the novel page, though.  See it's stuff like this that makes me believe that all stories should just be auto-disambigged.  I do at least five of these kind of switchoevers every week.  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">'''13:14:08 Fri&nbsp;'''12 Aug 2011&nbsp;</span>
 
== Dependence Day ==
 
Having just properly disambigged [[Independence Day (novel)]], I gotta ask: is there a thing in ''Dependence Day'' called "Dependence Day"?  Like, is it an actual (holi)day in the DWU?  If so, please let me know, please start writing up an article about the day on your sandbox, and please start linking to [[Dependence Day (short story)]].  I'll then take care of the changeover with the bot, and you can transfer the contents of your sandbox to [[Dependence Day]] once the move has been completed. Thanks.  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">'''16:01:04 Fri&nbsp;'''12 Aug 2011&nbsp;</span>
 
== categories ==
 
Hi Reven, not feeling brilliant at the mo, but just catching up on some bits (been busy at work for months now. Sorry about the categories, I still get confused with individuals and I know I'm gonna have to revisit them at some point. But just to say thanks ... thanks :) [[User:The Librarian|The Librarian]] 16:32, August 12, 2011 (UTC)
 
== Name ==
 
Can I call you Rev for short? Because your name is incredibly long. [[User:BroadcastCorp|BroadcastCorp]] <small>([[User talk:BroadcastCorp|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/BroadcastCorp|contribs]])</small> 11:05, August 14, 2011 (UTC)
 
===Davros and Big Finish===
Sorry about that! I'll have to have a closer look at the [[Tardis:Spoiler Policy]] in the future. Incidentally, thanks for the compliment regarding my Big Finish edits. I've been having a Big Finish marathon for the last several weeks so I'm gleaning all sorts of interesting information as well as being thoroughly entertained! [[User:GusF|GusF]] 22:00, August 15, 2011 (UTC)
 
{{Please see|A second look at wiki achivements}} {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">'''17:07:41 Mon&nbsp;'''22 Aug 2011&nbsp;</span>
 
== Page delete ==
 
Hi Revanvolatrelundar (wow, that's a mouth full), and I recently created [[River Song (Mels)]], which you subsequently deleted. I'm an active member of multiple Wikia communities, and so I was wondering why was it deleted? I was under the impression that pages were being created for all of Melody Pond/River Song's incarnations, including Mels. The reason I assumed this was for two reasons. One, being the [[Talk:River_Song#different_incarnations_pages|talk page discussion]], and two being the creation of [[Melody Pond (River Song)]]. I have realised, that I named the article incorrectly, and while creating the article I was planning to request it be moved to the proper name, being 'Melody Pond (Mels)', but before I could it was deleted. Thanks for your time, {{User:Rassilon of Old/Sig}} 13:01, August 28, 2011 (UTC)
 
: Yes, but that's the same situation with [[Melody Pond (River Song)]], is that to be deleted too? Are we going to have seperate articles for seperate incarnations of Melody? {{User:Rassilon of Old/Sig}}
:: Thanks, I'll bring it up. :) {{User:Rassilon of Old/Sig}} 13:08, August 28, 2011 (UTC)
 
== River Song ==
Sorry, they were already there when I added those categories. I didn't establish the pages myself. Should those pages be removed, then? -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] -- [[User:Tybort|Tybort]] ([[User talk:Tybort|talk page]]) 14:46, August 28, 2011 (UTC)
 
== DWM categories ==
 
When categorising the DWM issue, remember to alphabetise them by issue. So [[DWM 404]] would be alphabetised as " 404". The space is '''essential'''. Please could you add this to the ones you have already done. Thanks for helping out.--{{User:Skittles the hog/sig}} 09:48, August 29, 2011 (UTC)
 
:Thanks for helping recategorise the DWMs. Just though you might want to know that we accidentally made the DWM achievements unobtainable as there are no longer any articles in [[:category:DWM issues]].--{{User:Skittles the hog/sig}} 12:39, August 29, 2011 (UTC)
 
I can't see a way around this, so if asked, deny everything.--{{User:Skittles the hog/sig}} 12:54, August 29, 2011 (UTC)
 
== River ==
 
OK, fine, speculation on the main article is not allowed. But can I instate the 'speculation' about where she lived during the Mels era in the 'behind the scenes' section of the article??
 
[[User:Cascade11|Cascade11]] 19:05, August 31, 2011 (UTC)
 
Reply via my talk page.
 
== Mahalo ==
 
Thanks for catching that IP user problem reported by [[user:Boblipton]].  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">'''23:17:27 Wed&nbsp;'''31 Aug 2011&nbsp;</span>
 
== River Song ==
 
Recently a source was added to the page "River Song "for the Little Girl in the Impossible Astronaut being River, as discussed on River Song's Talk page. I was just wondering why this has been removed?
[[User:Aliyoda|Aliyoda]] 12:14, September 5, 2011 (UTC)
:But what if (as in this case) an out of universe source is all we have? There is no complete in-universe proof that the little girl is River, and without this source it is mere speculation, which (as I understand) isn't allowed on in-universe articles either?
:[[User:Aliyoda|Aliyoda]] 12:23, September 5, 2011 (UTC)
 
:First, let me say that I'm very happy with the way this was ultimately resolved; the Behind the Scenes entry answers Aliyoda's question about the fact appearing in the article, without needing any kind of clumsy attempt to shoehorn it into the in-universe sections.
 
:However, I wish you would have responded on the Talk page, or left me a message, or at least left an edit summary. We had a discussion going on between multiple users, we came to an agreement, I did what we'd agreed to, and it was reverted without comment. This seems to be a general pattern on this wiki; there's little reason to try to use the Talk page to improve the article when others are just going to change the article back without discussion, and as a result the Talk pages end up being more about random speculation than serving any useful purpose. --[[Special:Contributions/173.228.85.35|173.228.85.35]] 06:14, September 8, 2011 (UTC)
 
==Uncategorized files==
The licensing of all images in [[Special:UncategorizedFiles]] has been completed.  To the extent that there are images left there, they are most likely simply waiting for a cache update to whisk them off the page.  By no later than Wednesday the caching will have cleared away any remaining stragglers. 
 
I have taken some time to manually (well, semi-automatically, let's say) affix the proper licenses to a great many of the pictures that used to be there.  From Wednesday forward, all pictures discovered in UncatFiles will be subject to completely automatic deletion.  A number of warnings have been placed on the wiki to this effect.  You may direct users to [[Help:Files]] should they come to you with the question, "What happened to my file?" 
 
I plan to implement an automatic run more or less when I feel like, but on a weekly basis when any of our shows are in season; at least monthly when not.
 
[[user:Doctor Who 63]], far and away the biggest offender, has now been put on what I would call a "final warning".  If he uploads even a single new picture without a license, there are certainly adequate grounds to block him.  I would suggest a block of no more than a week at first, just to let him or her that we are '''completely serious''' about needing image licenses.  His latest offense comes from 4 September, well and truly after two or three warnings from TD. If he had ever acknowledged TD in the past, to let us know that he was having problems understanding what to do, the case would probably be different.  As he's been asked several times, and yet continues to do break the rule.  Yes, his behavior is being aided by the "add a photo to this gallery" bug, but since he/she won't respond we're left with only the option of taking some overt action.  Again, you'll be looking for any uploads after 11 Sept without a license.  Thanks.  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">'''23:04:15 Sun&nbsp;'''11 Sep 2011&nbsp;</span>
 
==Achievements now "the Game of Rassilon"==
Please note that "Achievements" has now been totally rebranded the "Game of Rassilon" on this site.  For those editors who ''only'' edit here, it will probably be confusing to make reference to "Achievements", as the word has all but been scrubbed from public view.  Help and rules files are now [[Help:Game of Rassilon]] and [[tardis:Game of Rassilon rules]].  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">13:37:54 Tue&nbsp;13 Sep 2011&nbsp;</span>
 
== Image discussion ==
 
{{Please see|Image appropriateness issue}} &mdash; [[User:Rob T Firefly|Rob T Firefly]] - '''[[User talk:Rob T Firefly|&#916;]][[Special:Contributions/Rob T Firefly|&#8711;]]''' - 13:44, September 14, 2011 (UTC)
 
{{Please see|Page Creation time}} [[User:Mini-mitch|MM]]/<small>[[User talk:Mini-mitch|Want to talk?]]</small> 22:27, October 1, 2011 (UTC)
==Ministry of Chance==
Hey, I've deleted everything on the wiki having to do with the Ministry of Chance — or at least everything that was linked to Ministry of Chance, except for the [[Minister of Chance]], himself.  The creators have firmly said on the Flashing Blade podcast, and elsewhere, that it absolutely does not occur within the DWU and it should not be interpreted as such.  Obviously they have zero backing from the BBC.
 
It simply doesn't belong on the wiki.  I dislike having to invalidate so much of your work, but this is well beyond the scope of what we should be covering.  I don't think this deletion requires a forum discussion because it's precisely in line with other deletion decisions for BBV things, to which you were a party and in agreement.  This is like ''The Stranger'' all over again.  Or like covering other fictions in which, I dunno, Ian McNiece has played Winston Churchill just because they share a character and actor with ''Doctor Who''.  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">05:03: Fri&nbsp;07 Oct 2011&nbsp;</span>
 
== Umbaste ==
 
I'm curious as to why you rolled back my latest edit of Umbaste.  Care to explain why?[[User:Boblipton|Boblipton]] <sup>[[User talk:Boblipton|talk to me]]</sup> 17:19, October 13, 2011 (UTC)
 
==Eighth Doctor Timeline==
For sure! I'd love some help, I mostly chose the Eighth Doctor because I've read/heard most of the stories involving him (I've not read several of the STs) and it's got fairly easy limiting points to separate out things (Gallifrey's destruction, Romana etc)
 
I've been rewriting the timeline page as a proof of concept for the [[Forum:Timeline pages]] post, to show how I think ''all'' the timeline pages should look.
 
I've moved the page from a subpage of my user page to a subpage of the current timeline page ([[Eighth Doctor - Timeline/Work in progress]]) so it's more accessible for work by multiple users. I don't think it should be the current page as it's not in a state that's ready. When we decide to integrate it into the current timeline page I'll merge the pages so the history can be preserved.
 
I'm undecided as to how to present the information. Currently I've just got it all indented, which was the easiest way to do it, but I was thinking maybe presenting it in a table might be better.
 
One of the things I want to do with the Timeline pages and sections on story pages is explain ''why'' we've placed the stories where we've placed them. Because if you look through some of the DWREF stuff some of the stories have very little reasoning for their placement, and I don't think the DWREF is always right, some of the other sources present as good as placements. But I want ours to give reasons so people can understand better why things are where they are.
 
I'd also like to embrace the idea some things just ''can't'' be placed, I know that sort of goes against the idea of creating a big information library, but some things just don't have enough information, but we can still add info to an unplaced section as to ''why'' we can't place it. Lance Parkin's AHistory has this, at the very back a list of "None of the Above" stories that don't have enough info to fit into a history. I know some things we can place vaguely but, I dunno some things are just very vaguely set.
 
Onto in-story lists of companions, I would tend more to go with lists of companions pointing towards where in his timeline it exists rather than in the specific order they happen to have travelled with him. --[[User:Tangerineduel|Tangerineduel]] / '''[[User talk:Tangerineduel|talk]]''' 03:55, October 21, 2011 (UTC)
 
== past tense ==
 
hello. do you have to write everything in the past tense? also could you check ou my wika: http://justwilliam.wikia.com/wiki/Special:WikiActivity  (and also alert me for any mistakes on it.) thanks [[User:Metardis|Metardis]] <sup>[[User talk:Metardis|talk to me]]</sup> 18:02, October 21, 2011 (UTC)
 
{{please see|What makes a rumour?}} [[User:Mini-mitch|MM]]/<small>[[User talk:Mini-mitch|Want to talk?]]</small> 17:42, October 28, 2011 (UTC)
 
== Year 2063? ==
 
I was going to put something in this year but it says Permission Error is it suppose to do that?
 
[[User:TimeTraveller34|TimeTraveller34]] <sup>[[User talk:TimeTraveller34|talk to me]]</sup> 19:34, November 15, 2011 (UTC)
 
== Ok ==
 
Ok, I'll try it tomorrow if i have no luck with it i'll send it to you.
 
[[User:TimeTraveller34|TimeTraveller34]] <sup>[[User talk:TimeTraveller34|talk to me]]</sup> 15:34, November 16, 2011 (UTC)
 
== acts of vandalism ==
 
If I am correct in assuming you're staff, someone is vandalising [[the Wedding of River Song]] page and has done so twice in the past hour. Can you see about blocking him? [[User:Boblipton|Boblipton]] <sup>[[User talk:Boblipton|talk to me]]</sup> 17:03, November 20, 2011 (UTC)
 
== Premature page creation ==
Why are you creating so many pages, particularly of audio releases, months and months prior to their release?  This is a violation of [[tardis:spoiler policy|spoiler policy]].  I don't really want to delete your work, but it's a major inconsistency to lock the creation of  TV episode pages until the moment that premieres are broadcast, only to have audio pages created a whopping great number of months before the story's release.  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">21:01: Fri&nbsp;25 Nov 2011&nbsp;</span>
:Revan, it's '''totally''' a spoiler by this site's definitions, which are clearly plastered in numerous locations all around the wiki.  Starting a page this far out from release is a blatant violation of our spoiler policy.  It makes it hard to enforce that policy if one of the site's admins is so blatantly violating it.  "Spoiler" does not mean "info released by someone other than the production company".  It means any information, from any source, about a story which hasn't been released.  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">21:43: Fri&nbsp;25 Nov 2011&nbsp;</span>
::Read in particular [[T:SPOIL DEF]].  {{user:CzechOut/Sig}}&nbsp;<span style="{{User:CzechOut/TimeFormat}}">21:44: Fri&nbsp;25 Nov 2011&nbsp;</span>
 
I Only Put So Many Pics On My Profile So People Could See ALL My Uploads.
 
==Yes, you CAN hear a Silent in the end credits==
Actually, you CAN hear a Silent in the very end credits of The Wedding of River Song.  I'm not making this up. -- [[User:MisterRandom2|MisterRandom2]] <sup>[[User talk:MisterRandom2|talk to me]]</sup> 19:38, December 8, 2011 (UTC)
: Here's proof: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzlVP7Id3T0
:Big whoop. If we heard the TARDIS at the end of the credits, would we put that in? No, because it has absolutely no relevance to the story in any way, shape, or form. Additionally, this guy is in an edit war with myself and Boplipton, and I would appreciate it if you could put a stop to things. We need to decide if we should add this to the page. --[[User:Bold Clone|<span style="color:darkblue">'''Bold'''</span>]] [[User Talk:Bold Clone|<span style="color:gold">'''Clone'''</span>]] 23:57, December 8, 2011 (UTC)
:: Fine. Let's just call a truce or whatever.  This is obviously going nowhere. -- [[User:MisterRandom2|MisterRandom2]] <sup>[[User talk:MisterRandom2|talk to me]]</sup> 00:46, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

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"Ears conspiracy"[[edit source]]

Hi, sorry this reply took so long, been wrapped up in my university finals for the past few weeks. I have looked further into what I like to call the "Ears conspiracy"; When the Doctor first looks in Rosa's mirror, he does more than comment on his ears. He full on says it "could have been worse", alluding to a recent regeneration that he hasn't seen the end result from. And, in The Beast of Babylon, he only starts talking about Rose when telling Ali about his trip to Earth from Rose, and when saying Ali has traits similar to her. Granted, he brings the whole thing up at random after showing the planet to her, so perhaps it's still a recent thing for him. But, he still talks about "when [he] met Rose, [he]'d only just regenerated", "still finding [his] feet", with a mindset of "new body, new start, new companion".

To be honest, I was kind'a hoping to not find anything when I was looking into this; I like the theory and solution you and I came up with together. But, facts like these can't be ignored, otherwise we'd be divulging into the taboo that is speculation and theorising by selecting what print we choose to follow.

Also, while I'm here, you recently moved The Bleeding Heart to before The Oncoming Storm. Does the Doctor act the same as he does in The Oncoming Storm, or is he using his blue sonic screwdriver in The Oncoming Storm? Sorry to be a pain about it, but I don't have the funds to listen to The Churchill Years or Ninth Doctor Chronicles and have to get my infomsation ftom second hand sources to update the timeline theory page. Perhaps I could interest you into editing it with me, since you clearly know more about the Ninth Doctor's Big Finish adventures than I do at the moment.

Hope you have a nice day, BananaClownMan 00:45, April 3, 2018 (UTC)

I haven't found any Vortex or forums in Google search, but have made a note of it with a source tag anyway. I did find that free audio you mentioned, thank you for that. Will give it a listen when I have the time.BananaClownMan 19:39, April 3, 2018 (UTC)

It would seem the novelisation of The Day of the Doctor has brought an end to our debate. According to User:NateBumber, the freshly regenerated Ninth Doctor smashed all the TARDIS mirrors due to a vow he took to never find out what face he was wearing, apparently to atone for killing the children of Gallifrey. With this knowledge, we now know why he said "could have been worse" when accidently looking at Rose's mirror; he's emotionally recovered enough to not be bothered about catching an accidental glimpse, and analyse his features. I think you're right about the "ears complex"; he's probably felt them enough to dislike them, and getting a good look at them did not changed his opinion.BananaClownMan 20:46, April 5, 2018 (UTC)


You know, the novelisation of Rose might just of given us a rare moment in debating that scarcely happens; the chance for both parties to be right. I believed that Rose happened early due to the Ninth Doctor's comments about how it "could have been worse" when looking in a mirror, and authorial intend behind the line. You believed that Rose happened later due to, and I quote, "The Beast of Babylon [framing] all its story around [the ending of] Rose". In the novelization, it is mentioned that there was a twelve week gap between these two incidences, which does not seem to contradict the television story and making it valid by the wiki's rules. If my math is right, that leaves 84 days maximum unaccounted for.

I propose that at the tail end of his "early days", he meets Rose at Hendrik's, gets the Auton arm and then leaves, believing his work done. After his twelve weeks of "solitary exploits" (that can include the anthology short stories and cameo appearances), he returns to London again for whatever reason, properly the TARDIS bringing him to "where [he] needed to be" I guess.

What do you think? BananaClownMan 21:26, April 20, 2018 (UTC)

"Whoisdoctorwho.co.uk" question[[edit source]]

How come the information from Whoisdoctorwho.co.uk is in the behinds the scenes section of pages with the out-of-universe information, but the page and all related pages are categorized as in-universe information?

If its a lack of citation needed on the main sections, why not use (WC: Who is Doctor Who)? BananaClownMan 16:50, April 8, 2018 (UTC)

Renaming The War[[edit source]]

Hey there Revan! Seeing as you're (to my knowledge) the most FP-familiar admin, I was just wondering if you'd be willing to take a gander at my suggestion to rename The War to War in Heaven, based on the arguments presented at Talk:The War and The War#Naming. There's no rush at all, but I really do think it would help with disambiguation and a lot of other stuff. So let me know what you think! – N8 21:08, July 17, 2018 (UTC)

Reaching out[[edit source]]

Hi! I bumped into an edit that falls into the area where we had disagreements before. For reasons I will explain shortly, I believe that this is just an echo of some old decisions. I would hate to bring this to the kind of attention and emotion that these debates usually get. Thus, I am reaching out in the hope, based on your earlier positions, that we can agree on how this should be treated. The edit in question is about the first appearance of the Thirteenth Doctor. Based on your seeming reluctance in the past to accept her first appearance to be in a mini-short story published by CJB, I hope that you would consider the current state equally inappropriate. Note that first appearances can be used by editors to determine copyright for characters. So having this particular story listed as her first appearance seems to give the copyright for her to Sue Hampton.

Thing is, this novel was released back in August 2017, around the time of the mini-short. A lot of time passed since then. There were the "fireworks" around the Christmas special (a grandfather dilemma, if you will). And then the two copyright-wielding sides found a compromise. (Or at least that's how it looks to me. At the very least they stopped lobbing public cease-and-desist messages.) Given these later developments, I really would not want to rekindle the state of affairs the way it was in August 2017. This is a genuine dispute that exists objectively beyond the wiki. And a truce within and without the wiki is as good as it gets for now. Thus, I am contacting you before taking any action. I would appreciate it if you could let me know your position on what should be the first appearance of the Thirteenth Doctor. If we can agree on that, we can try to find the least invasive change that would not disturb the truce. Amorkuz 00:14, September 9, 2018 (UTC)

Great! That makes three of us agreeing on the edit, already implemented by TheChampionOfTime. Additionally, he clarified that August 2017 was just a pre-release, so no rules need to be broken. Unbeknownst to me, the regular release of this book was in January, after the Christmas special. And discounting pre-releases is a standard practice. For instance, pre-screenings of episodes have been discounted multiple times.
It also turned out to be a good opportunity to compare our views and learn that they are in agreement as far as the big picture is concerned. I completely agree that CJB is part of DWU. I even agree, as a fan, that it is nice to see nods to (or cameos of) various Doctors/companions. It is the towing of some reasonable line that I have been struggling with. Since I do not have a satisfactory regular solution, lately I generally try not to edit CJB (modulo renaming edits). But cases like this must be resolved in one way or another. And while I certainly did not expect any edit wars, I was worried that, were I to perform the same edit done by TheChampionOfTime (CoT), it could be viewed as not sufficiently impartial by editors who hold CJB dear to their hearts. Thus, my original plan was to ask whether you agree and, if yes, to ask you to make the change to avoid any suspicions of one-sidedness. I believe that CoT's edit and your stated position achieve this goal. So I am quite happy with the result. I am even happier that there was no need to make an exception or invent some artificial rule in order to achieve this result.
Thanks for weighing in on this. And happy editing! Amorkuz 23:15, September 10, 2018 (UTC)

Kahning blast from the past[[edit source]]

Hi, it's been 7 years since this edit, but now it is very important, all of a sudden. Do you, by any chance, remember the origins of this spelling? Was "Kahn" based on any written source or purely phonetic? Thank you in advance for your time. Amorkuz 08:52, January 30, 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for confirming. It is exactly as I expected. I just wanted to make sure I did not miss some source in my search. The reason I was asking (as I'm sure you have guessed) is that with everything we've learned recently, "Khan" seems to be a spelling more in tune with Fallout's Yasmin's Punjabi roots, which are explicitly mentioned in the story. I did some quick digging at Khan (surname), Kahn and Kan (surname), and only one seems to be consistent with the character's provenance. Not really the conclusion I would have preferred myself, but here we are... I guess I'll go and put a rename tag then. Don't think it's clear enough for a speedy rename. Amorkuz 09:16, January 30, 2019 (UTC)

Re: A Farewell[[edit source]]

Well, thank you so much! You have no idea how much this means to me. And as you noticed, I also must thank you for partially inspiring the story by making me think deeper about the Weapon/Moment!

As for your question: well first, let me note that I didn't add info about the Greater Key to those pages. Our fellow FP fan User:TheChampionOfTime picked up on that and did it without my input (which I greatly, greatly appreciate). I've been doing my best to avoid adding anything to the wiki based on my own stories - not because I don't want to, but because I'm afraid I'd be violating some rule in the process. (I seem to recall Cody Schell was banned for something similar during the original thread about Señor 105, but that's since been deleted, so I'm not quite sure.)

But in any case, that's been the main thing stopping me from putting anything relevant on the pages for the War King and the Magistrate. I'm glad you spotted that nod to their shared identity, which I certainly intended to be an further confirmation of something that's been hinted at since their first appearances. So I agree with you that the connection should definitely be mentioned on both pages, even if I won't be the one to put it there!

[Edit: A mention on both pages *at the very least*, that is. I definitely think a merge wouldn't be out-of-order at all.]

Thank you again for such a kind review! – N8 00:14, February 26, 2019 (UTC)

Obverse expertise sought[[edit source]]

Hi! I was wondering if you might have access to Iris Wildthyme of Mars and, if so, whether you could help simultaneously uphold our wiki's policies and show that we as a community value the efforts authors put into entertaining us by fleshing out a page of a story. An author pleaded with admin to help her do that. I would have done it myself, but do not have this particular anthology. Sorry for bothering you otherwise. Amorkuz 14:50, March 6, 2019 (UTC)

Image policy[[edit source]]

I'm trying to get an image policy finalized, and would like to invite you to discuss it on Thread:247941.

Sincerely, BananaClownMan 22:27, March 21, 2019 (UTC)

Wiki Manager[[edit source]]

Hi Revanvolatrelundar! My name is Playsonic2 and I’m the Fandom Wiki Manager assigned to TARDIS Data Core. I am here to help the community and be a liaison to full-time Fandom staff.

I also happen to be an administrator at the Spanish Doctor Who Wiki, which has me spending considerable amount of time here (adding interlanguage links mostly). I know this wiki wonderfully organised and that CzechOut assists with any technical issues, but if there is anything I could assist with, I would be pleased to help. I will be available on my talk page! ~Playsonic2 09:05, May 20, 2019 (UTC)

Hi! I’m here to share the news that Fandom has an official Discord server now. Feel free to check this blog post from Community Central, which includes more details and, of course, the server invite link. Editors from many different communities and staff members are there chatting already - you (and other editors!) are invited to join as well. Playsonic2 07:46, July 11, 2019 (UTC)

Block request[[edit source]]

Hi. Could I ask you to take some action on the user Zanda21. This user engaged in an edit war, ignored Shambala, Borisashton and me, and made personal attacks. Shambala does not block people anymore, apparently, so I would request you to take some action. If you don't mind. :) --DCLM 16:19, August 11, 2019 (UTC)

Hi, you can ignore this request, I've blocked the user for violating Tardis:No personal attacks. Thanks Shambala108 16:26, August 11, 2019 (UTC)

Re:[[edit source]]

I appreciate your clarification. It is always preferable to talk and understand each other's positions even when there are strong disagreements on them. To return the courtesy, let me expand on my explanation in the thread. The reason the stories were deleted was a combination of T:NOT and T:OFF REL. Since the book with these stories was (and still is) only in preparation, there was no reason to keep the pages. I am now aware that we have a fundamental disagreement on what is considered an official release. However, I was not aware of it while performing the deletion, again for the simple reason that there had been no community discussion before the creation of the pages. In particular, I do not equate a publication of a story by author A on the official website of the BBC (like Christmas Special) with a blog post by author A on the website of author A. Therefore, I did not see any precedents for considering these stories released.

Let me use this opportunity to clarify the question of my alleged bias against the author and/or his stories. My opposition is purely procedural. If these stories are posted by Obverse Books on their website, I change my vote to inclusion on the condition that the release date is the date of the publication on the Obverse website. There is no reason for me to care about three more FP stories. As explained in the thread, it is the manner of the publication that troubles me. After a hiatus, I am planning to continue explaining there why.

Finally, I would ask you to reread my post that you took to be "asserting" your bias. If you do that, you will see that no such assertion was made. I stated that it was not publicly known at the time whether you had any relationship to the books being discussed. It is standard practice in legal proceedings, in journalism, in scientific reviewing and on Wikipedia to clearly and voluntarily announce existing and clarify suspected conflicts of interests. I thank you for responding by explaining that you are not in any way related to the stories. I accepted this explanation and was completely satisfied by it. Amorkuz 21:58, September 3, 2019 (UTC)

Re: thread closings[[edit source]]

Hi, yeah, I sometimes have that trouble too. That's why most of my closings just have the message "See final post", because if the message is too long, it just won't post. Just one of the many things wrong with those message boards. Too bad we can't go back to the old forum posts - easier to post and easier to find. Thanks Shambala108 15:55, September 26, 2019 (UTC)

The War Romance[[edit source]]

Thanks for moving Paperman to The War Romance. At the time that I noticed the page name, I was on my phone on a bus, so wasn't sure of the protocol, or how to put in the request formally, but I knew Amorkuz had previously given some advice when I had tried moving a page before, so thought I'd ask them for help raising it. Usually I'd check the correct protocol on my laptop these days to report it.

Have a good spook month.

ThomasRWade 17:08, October 2, 2019 (UTC)


I read the first LS book in 2017, then met a few of the authors that summer when they were doing a mini event thing in Cardiff. Started reading the series more around February 2018, and have been reading The Laughing Gnome series this past month (been getting them delivered as they released since A Very Private Haunting). I just thought I'd do my best to help out on those pages because they are fairly niche titles within the community for various reasons. I finally got The HAVOC Files 4 today from ebay, so have managed to confirm something I had thought was wrong with that anthology's page too. Just glad to have a great community here that's so helpful at ensuringthings are accurate (another series's wiki I once contributed to was nowhere near as community friendly).

Thanks again for the kind words.

ThomasRWade 17:34, October 2, 2019 (UTC)

Request[[edit source]]

I hate to do this, I know it's annoying, but I was wondering if you could take a look at giving a final consensus at Thread:212365? We've had it open for years and I just feel like it's done and is just waiting for that stamp of approval, but no one's invested enough to get around to it. OS25🤙☎️ 21:40, November 21, 2019 (UTC)

New Howling post[[edit source]]

Could you please check my latest post at Howling:The Howling? I have an important question about the future of Doctor Who that I'd like to know how to handle. I won't just go ahead and create the page. --DCLM 15:06, November 22, 2019 (UTC)

Re:[[edit source]]

Thank you for your message. I am sad that it had to come to this. But I appreciate you taking responsibility for your mistakes, intended or unintended. That deserves respect. I would have made the same decision in your place. I wish you good luck in your writing and publishing endeavours.

Since I've been plunged into the same toxic environment as you for months, with multiple personal attacks against me, and with all other participants of the original decision to delete the stories (which was not even my suggestion) refusing to take the responsibility, I feel I can share some advice on how to stay sane while not actively editing on the wiki. The advice is offered sincerely and from personal experience, from one admin bruised in divisive inclusion debates to another. The obvious first step is to turn off the email notifications. But it might also be useful to unfollow all active forum threads. The reason for the latter is that, if you visit FANDOM under your login, even some other wiki, the counter of new forum messages will appear. It might be hard to resist looking, which was not helpful for me during my forced exile. With all notifications turned off, you are the master of which pages to visit (if any).

I am also sad that my initial suggestion of what to do with these stories was rejected by the other admin. I proposed, among other things, to outline explicit rules about the conflict of interest and then begin the validity debate. Were the rules formulated explicitly, this situation could have been avoided.

Fare thee well. Amorkuz 00:24, January 12, 2020 (UTC)

Check on[[edit source]]

Hello, User:Revanvolatrelundar. I just wanted to stop by and check how you were doing in these trying times of self-isolation?BananaClownMan 09:53, April 16, 2020 (UTC)

Merry Christmas[[edit source]]

Hello, there. I just wanted to stop by and wish you the merriest of Christmases, and a Happy New Year. BananaClownMan 14:04, 24 December 2020 (UTC)