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== One last bit of love for Rory ==


A neat bit of trivia, but not sure that it would belong on the page proper:  If Rory was 31 when sent back in time (to 1938), and died when he was 82, he would have died the year Amy was born, and the year that the original series was cancelled: 1989.  '''<font color=#609000>d</font> [[User:Witoki|<font color=#609000>●</font>]][[User_talk:Witoki|<font color=#FF6090>•</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Witoki|<font color=#6090FF>·</font>]]''' 14:48, October 12, 2012 (UTC)
:I haven't followed the debate that closely, but has it been established (with sources) that they went back specifically to 1938? [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 00:08, October 13, 2012 (UTC)
:: It hasn't. And it's also been pointed out that the tombstone looks rather old for something that supposedly dates to the late 1980s. All we know is that Amy was still alive at the time the novel was written (that or River located her in time in order for her to write the forward). It's possible the novella ''The Angel's Kiss'' might shed some light. [[Special:Contributions/70.72.211.35|70.72.211.35]]<sup>[[User talk:70.72.211.35#top|talk to me]]</sup> 15:37, November 18, 2012 (UTC)
:::afterward[[Special:Contributions/108.246.48.79|108.246.48.79]]<sup>[[User talk:108.246.48.79#top|talk to me]]</sup> 02:53, November 17, 2013 (UTC)


{{Talk Page}}
:I don't know where you got 2010 from (maybe you meant 1996?), but as of the end of The Big Bang, Rory's does have much more memories than the Doctor. Also, please remember to sign all posts with <code><nowiki>~~~~</nowiki></code>. '''[http://doctor-who-collectors.wikia.com/wiki/User:Tardis1963 <span style="background:#0E234E; color:white">Tardis1963</span>]''' 07:23, July 2, 2010 (UTC)
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:I think the ID tag's issue date is genuine due to face that Rory never existed and the Rory we know was always an auton. It would make since that his ID could've been issued in 1990 and that he has worked in the hospital ever since as he would never age. He would be sorta like Jack Harkness in some respects.[[User:Invictus152|Invictus152]] 07:57, July 4, 2010 (UTC)
:Not quite, the original Rory was a real human, and after his erasure and duplication, his soul was pulled into the Auton body, which then lasted the 1900 years, and then he got rebooted with the rest of the universe. Moffat's already stated the ID badge was a mistake during production. So, yeah, he's about 2000 years old technically. Which would be older than the Doctor, unless he's still lying about his age. - ''<span style ="color:midnightblue">I. Am. [[User: Excalibur-117|Excalibur-117]]</span>''<span style ="color:midnightblue">-<sup>([[User talk:Excalibur-117|talk]] • [[Special: Contributions/ Excalibur-117|contribs]])</sup></span> 11:26, July 6, 2010 (UTC)
:Having more memory equates to being older?!? When Rose became the Bad Wolf, she existed in all of time and space, so was Rose, at one point, infinity years old? Would you say the meta-crisis Tenth Doctor was born 900 years old? Do you get younger due to an amnesia? This is ludicrous.--[[Special:Contributions/203.168.176.42|203.168.176.42]] 07:53, July 13, 2010 (UTC)
:Having more memories don't equate to being older, just simply living a life does. Rory spent 2000 years guarding the Pandorica and remembers this at the end of the Big Bang, therefore Rory is 2000 years old. Rose gained all the knowledge of time and space from the time vortex, but didn't live through it all, so she isn't infinity years old. Meta-crisis Doctor didn't live for 900 years, he was simply born in Journey's End and retained all the memories of the Doctor, therefore he is barely a day old. [[User:Phobia27|Phobia27]] 11:29, April 13, 2011 (UTC)
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:Yes, but keeping out of trouble -- although unsuccessfully -- is not a very full life. [[User:Boblipton|Boblipton]] 10:11, June 10, 2011 (UTC)
== /Him and Amy? ==


gah it's just not meant to be... SURELY you'd go for the one who you've made cartoons of your whole life? Why does Rory have to get in the way of Amy and her "raggedy doctor", eh?[[Special:Contributions/81.141.161.91|81.141.161.91]] 01:50, May 19, 2010 (UTC)
== First Time Together on the TARDIS ==
The italicized text is a little absurd. Are we really going with the literal interpretation of the Doctor's words? He was obviously referring to the first time Amy and Rory had sex on the TARDIS.--[[User:Trebligoniqua|Trebligoniqua]] [[User talk:Trebligoniqua|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 04:00, January 30, 2013 (UTC)




== "The Pretty One" ==


Dude, I couldn't have put it better myself! this is why i don't like rory's character so much. he keeps getting in the way!
There is an error in the main aliases for Rory Williams. It indicates that he was known as "The pretty one". That actually refers to the character in the Eleventh Hour who had the laptop. When told by Amy that she was getting married The Doctor asks "The pretty one or..." and makes the sign with his hand indicating the guy with the big nose and says "the other one?" She says "The other one".


Hope this helps.


[[Special:Contributions/69.212.164.105|69.212.164.105]]<sup>[[User talk:69.212.164.105#top|talk to me]]</sup> 02:14, February 11, 2013 (UTC)


A) sign your posts. B) she likes them both ( rory she marries and the doctor she likes) and C) he doesn't get in the way. the doc gets in the way of amy and rory! LOTS121Kara:) 18:38, August 16, 2010 (UTC)
:While you are right, I think this is referring to [[Idris]] calling him that. The Doctor thinks she's referring to Amy, specifically because of what you mentioned. Anyways, I hope this answers your question. [[file:SmallerOnTheOutside.png|15px]] [[user:SmallerOnTheOutside|SOTO]] [[User talk:SmallerOnTheOutside|☎]] 02:39, February 11, 2013 (UTC)


I think it's probably a non-mutual thing; The Doctor loves Amy*, but he's not complaining too loudly because he -reluctantly- likes Rory (and to avoid any pedantic comments later on, I meant as a friend). Well, it's not the first time there's been a non-mutual companion-Doctor thing. Martha was crazy about The Doctor, but he was hung up on Rose. This is basically the same thing, only reversed.
:: Smaller is right. The reference comes from ''[[The Doctor's Wife (TV story)]]''. [[User:OttselSpy25|OS25]] ([[User Talk:OttselSpy25|talk to me, baby.]]) 02:48, February 11, 2013 (UTC)


*Don't believe me? Watch the end of 'Amy's Choice'. Look at The Doctor's face when he's not in the view of the happy couple. Then, look at The Doctor's reaction to the (reflected) Dream Lord's triumphant smirk.
It doesn't matter though, because according to [[Forum:Notable Aliases]] it shouldn't be in the infobox in the first place. [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 03:06, February 11, 2013 (UTC)


[[Special:Contributions/58.106.7.197|58.106.7.197]] 10:17, April 14, 2011 (UTC)Ash Grim
: Iris considered "The Pretty One" to be Rory's name. Thus it is an alias. [[User:OttselSpy25|OS25]] ([[User Talk:OttselSpy25|talk to me, baby.]]) 03:09, February 11, 2013 (UTC)


In S5E3 Victory of the Daleks Amy doesn't remember the Daleks, could it be because she was in the town that time forgot? [[User:Mikedfontaine|Mikedfontaine]] 05:05, June 10, 2011 (UTC)
She doesn't think it's Rory's name, she's asking which one's Amy:
== Rory Pond? ==
::DOCTOR: Can you get a message to Amy? The telepathic circuits are online.
::IDRIS: Which one's Amy? The pretty one?
It's not notable and it's not used more than once, so by the forum guidelines, it should be removed. [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 03:28, February 11, 2013 (UTC)


The latest issue of DWM (out April 7, 2011) identifies Rory as "Rory Pond" on the cover. Let the naming debate commence! [[Special:Contributions/68.146.64.9|68.146.64.9]] 19:40, April 4, 2011 (UTC)
Check again.
:: Rory: It's like I'm getting a masage
:: Idris: ''Hello Pretty''
:: Doctor: No, that's rory
:: Blah Blah Blah
:: The Doctor: ''The Pretty One?!?'' [[User:OttselSpy25|OS25]] ([[User Talk:OttselSpy25|talk to me, baby.]]) 03:53, February 11, 2013 (UTC)


Well, if the official magazine says it, then it must be so. Someone change the name of this page immediately! [[User:The Nth Doctor|The Nth Doctor]] 19:37, April 22, 2011 (UTC)
== Species ==


As with everything else of this nature on the wikia we have to wait till it happens in-universe before we change the name. So tomorrow at around 6:45 it will be changed. --[[User:Revanvolatrelundar|Revan]]\[[User_talk:Revanvolatrelundar|Talk]] 19:41, April 22, 2011 (UTC)
Under species it says 'human'  shouldn't there be an auton reference here?{{Unsigned-anon|108.246.48.79}}


I'm pretty sure this is just an in-joke. I doubt that's his legal name.----[[User:Skittles the hog|Skittles the hog]]--<small>[[User talk:Skittles the hog|Talk]]</small> 19:51, April 22, 2011 (UTC)
:No. The species field of the infobox can only take '''one''' name, and it has been decided that we always put only the original species. [[User:Shambala108|Shambala108]] [[User talk:Shambala108|<span title="Talk to me">☎</span>]] 02:59, November 17, 2013 (UTC)
 
This isn't even a mystery. In the episode "The Big Bang", and I'm going from memory here so I'm paraphrasing, the Doctor arrives at Amy and Rory's wedding and makes some comment about Amy now being Amy Williams, before correcting himself and saying it's probaby more likely to be Rory Pond, referring to the fact that Amy clearly wears the trousers in that relationship. Rory goes to argue before quickly realising that the Doctor is probably right and agreeing. But no, I'm sure it's not supposed to be his legal name, just a joke between the three of them. [[User:Phil2415|Phil2415]] 18:32, June 1, 2011 (UTC)Phil
 
== Satyrnians ==
 
They did not take human form, they used perception filters to hide their true form and thus appeared human. Can somebody update the article to reflect that? Thanks! -- [[User:Ripmssmith|Rest In Peace Sarah Jane]] \ [[User_talk:Ripmssmith|Talk to me!]] 14:12, April 21, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
== "Stupid face" alias ==
 
in the second episode of series six, Amy reffered Rory as "stupid face", i think it should be added as an alias of him. --[[User:Batuhanicoz|Batuhanicoz]] 22:11, May 8, 2011 (UTC)
 
== Amy Wasn't A Ganger ==
 
In the section of the article about Rory it states that after his honeymoon he returned to Earth with what he later discovered was a Ganger of Amy. I don't think is correct, and I think it's premature to try to integrate the Ganger storyline since we don't know how it's going to end yet.
 
I'm pretty certain that the moment when Amy was swapped for a Ganger was in the episode "Day Of The Moon" when she goes into a room in the desserted children's home by herself. She sees a photograph of herself, screams and then when Kenton runs to her she appears to be ok, although something has clearly happened. That was the moment when she was swapped.
 
Backing up this theory is the fact that just prior to this event, in the same episode, Amy told the Doctor that she was pregnant, but at the end of the episode she no longer is, clearly because by that point she has been switched for her non-pregnant Ganger. At the end of "The Almost People" we learn that the real Amy was pregnant all along.
 
[[User:Phil2415|Phil2415]] 18:30, June 1, 2011 (UTC)Phil
 
== Should Pretty and Idiot really be in the Also Called? ==
 
I can understand "Pretty" but "Idiot" is just an adjective. I think they both should be removed as Pretty was only used in one episode, and Idiot is such a common word that to imply that it's another name for him means we should start adding every other insult a person has gotten. Adjectives are just what they are, descriptive, not names. Anyone else agree? [[User:Rawrgoaway|Rawrgoaway]] 15:21, June 10, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
 
I'm with you, Rawrgoaway. [[User:Boblipton|Boblipton]] 15:26, June 10, 2011 (UTC)
 
I think overall he has way too many nicknames. Even "The Nose" is a bit of a stretch but i understand that one. Still though, i think the only things that should be in the "Also Called" section are names that really get lots of use. Little jokes or insults shouldn't be added because then there are tons of nicknames that other characters should also have added. [[User:Rawrgoaway|Rawrgoaway]] 16:14, June 12, 2011 (UTC)
 
== Rory sees through the doctor ==
 
I don't know how relevant it is to this article, but to me, a very important (yet subtle) aspect of Rory is that is seems completely impervious to the doctor's "charm".  The first time he enters the TARDIS, instead of going through the usual "it's bigger on the inside" shocked routine, he simply states "oh, the interior is another dimension" (much to The Doctor's disappointment).  Again, in [[Vampires of Venice]], he easily gets The Doctor's <span style="font-style: italic;">modus operendi</span> : making people trust him so much that they risk their lives for him (as already discused in [[Journey's End]]). There is something about Rory that makes The Doctor unable to "manipulate" him.
 
[[User:Merchillio|Merchillio]] 00:16, September 24, 2011 (UTC)
 
== ID Badge ==
 
At the bottom of the article, on discussion of the ID badge, it says:
 
However, later episodes like ''[[The Pandorica Opens (TV story)|The Pandorica Opens]]'' and ''[[The Big Bang]]'' proved that Moffat was telling the truth. The graphics on the ID page were simply erroneous.
 
In what sense is this proven? Here are the released details about 'The Wedding of River Song':
 
''In Buckingham Senate, at 5.02pm, Holy Roman Emperor Winston Churchill calls for his Soothsayer to be fetched from the Tower. Greying, unkempt, older, tireder, but unmistakably – it’s the Doctor. “Tick tock goes the clock,” Winston tells him, “but they don’t, do they? The clocks never tick.” It’s always 5.02pm these days. All of history is happening at once. “What happened to time?” asks Winston. The answer, it seems, is a woman…''
 
I apologise if I missed something. However, even if 'Amy's time' is shown to be the present, then couldn't the ID badge still be significant? If Churchill exists in the present, then couldn't the very first clue of what was going to happen (all time happening at once) be a man with a 1990 ID badge appearing in the twenty-first century?
 
Perhaps we should remove the final lines from the ID badge section until after the episode airs.[[Special:Contributions/210.49.167.47|210.49.167.47]] 16:02, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 
I doubt Moffat knew what he was going to do with season 6 yet when ''The Eleventh Hour'' came out, and time clearly wasn't very badly damaged in ''The Eleventh Hour''. If all of history was happenning at once, there would be more evidence than Rory's ID badge. Plus, we've seen Rory as a child in the 90s. [[User:Icecreamdif|Icecreamdif]] 05:57, September 29, 2011 (UTC)
 
: Given Moffat had a sequence in last season's finale that had been hidden in ''Flesh and Stone'', and that this time happening at once may be related to Silence falling which he's clearly had some idea about since series 5, I don't see anything unreasonable in thinking he'd planned ahead. Besides, the point was never that time was badly danmaged in ''The Eleventh Hour'', merely that there were some very small clues that it'd started. This wouldn't necessarily conflict at all with Rory being seen as a child in the 90s because if time's happening at once that type of thing may be quite natural (from Churchhill's perspective he probably saw the 90s). That said, at this point it's probably not worth changing.[[Special:Contributions/210.49.167.47|210.49.167.47]] 06:37, September 29, 2011 (UTC)
 
== Photos of Rory ==
 
It's not my topic of excellence, but some of the pictures of Rory are awful, out of focus (Rory being shot)  or badly composed (Rory receiving a psychic message has his hand in front of his profile. Wouldn't we be better off with fewer bad pictures, even if they weren't replaced? [[User:Boblipton|Boblipton]] <sup>[[User talk:Boblipton|talk to me]]</sup> 22:49, October 2, 2011 (UTC)
 
== Rory's Father? ==
 
 
According to his known family, Rory's father is mentioned in Night Terrors, yet I watched that episode earlier today and didn't see or hear a reference to his him. Yes, there is definitely one to his Grandmother, but not one as far as I could tell for his father.
 
I'm just wondering if it is indeed true where the reference is as it is bugging me somewhat.

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One last bit of love for Rory[[edit source]]

A neat bit of trivia, but not sure that it would belong on the page proper: If Rory was 31 when sent back in time (to 1938), and died when he was 82, he would have died the year Amy was born, and the year that the original series was cancelled: 1989. d ●•· 14:48, October 12, 2012 (UTC)

I haven't followed the debate that closely, but has it been established (with sources) that they went back specifically to 1938? Shambala108 ☎ 00:08, October 13, 2012 (UTC)
It hasn't. And it's also been pointed out that the tombstone looks rather old for something that supposedly dates to the late 1980s. All we know is that Amy was still alive at the time the novel was written (that or River located her in time in order for her to write the forward). It's possible the novella The Angel's Kiss might shed some light. 70.72.211.35talk to me 15:37, November 18, 2012 (UTC)
afterward108.246.48.79talk to me 02:53, November 17, 2013 (UTC)


First Time Together on the TARDIS[[edit source]]

The italicized text is a little absurd. Are we really going with the literal interpretation of the Doctor's words? He was obviously referring to the first time Amy and Rory had sex on the TARDIS.--Trebligoniqua ☎ 04:00, January 30, 2013 (UTC)


"The Pretty One"[[edit source]]

There is an error in the main aliases for Rory Williams. It indicates that he was known as "The pretty one". That actually refers to the character in the Eleventh Hour who had the laptop. When told by Amy that she was getting married The Doctor asks "The pretty one or..." and makes the sign with his hand indicating the guy with the big nose and says "the other one?" She says "The other one".

Hope this helps.

69.212.164.105talk to me 02:14, February 11, 2013 (UTC)

While you are right, I think this is referring to Idris calling him that. The Doctor thinks she's referring to Amy, specifically because of what you mentioned. Anyways, I hope this answers your question. SmallerOnTheOutside.png SOTO ☎ 02:39, February 11, 2013 (UTC)
Smaller is right. The reference comes from The Doctor's Wife (TV story). OS25 (talk to me, baby.) 02:48, February 11, 2013 (UTC)

It doesn't matter though, because according to Forum:Notable Aliases it shouldn't be in the infobox in the first place. Shambala108 ☎ 03:06, February 11, 2013 (UTC)

Iris considered "The Pretty One" to be Rory's name. Thus it is an alias. OS25 (talk to me, baby.) 03:09, February 11, 2013 (UTC)

She doesn't think it's Rory's name, she's asking which one's Amy:

DOCTOR: Can you get a message to Amy? The telepathic circuits are online.
IDRIS: Which one's Amy? The pretty one?

It's not notable and it's not used more than once, so by the forum guidelines, it should be removed. Shambala108 ☎ 03:28, February 11, 2013 (UTC)

Check again.

Rory: It's like I'm getting a masage
Idris: Hello Pretty
Doctor: No, that's rory
Blah Blah Blah
The Doctor: The Pretty One?!? OS25 (talk to me, baby.) 03:53, February 11, 2013 (UTC)

Species[[edit source]]

Under species it says 'human' shouldn't there be an auton reference here?– The preceding unsigned comment was added by 108.246.48.79 (talk).

No. The species field of the infobox can only take one name, and it has been decided that we always put only the original species. Shambala108 ☎ 02:59, November 17, 2013 (UTC)
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